7th cav. survivor Mann

[jag]

Much of the research can be done online. It's tedious and intensive investigative work that I don't have the time for. However someone like Joe should be able to find the time to keep this type of research going.

Here is some additional information I dug up after about a half hours try.

skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/archives/allen/history/1901/618.html

Dr. D. L. Rogers came to Toronto from Canada in 1871. He was a bright and earnest worker, became tired of Kansas life and returned to the Queen's Dominion where he died in 1891. The same year (1871) Dr. A. H. Mann came to Toronto. He was just from the regular army and only remained out of the service, and in the practice at Toronto, a few years. He returned to Toronto again in 1875 and remained many years. He performed the first amputation that was done in Woodson and was regarded as one of the able physicians and surgeons of his day and county. He resided in Illinois when the Spanish-American war broke out and was commissioned a surgeon in one of the regiments raised in that state and did duty at Tampa, Florida. Doctor R. B. Marr, a bright young man from one of the St. Louis colleges, located in Toronto in 1875 where he was an active and energetic man, wedded to his profession. He became inoculated with a loathsome disease while attending a patient and, as a price for his martyrdom, was incapacitated, for many years, for pro-

books.google.com/books?id=DH0UAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA685&lpg=PA685&dq=dr+ah+mann,+army+-ahmann&source=bl&ots=hxQF_ftZ5c&sig=f8mrVQpP8FsoUpN0VGV0HZcSpL8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xIwAT6H0AorK2AWiu7yYAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=dr%20ah%20mann%2C%20army%20-ahmann&f=false

pg 685 of Kansas City, Missouri: its history and its people 1808-1908, Volume 3 By Carrie Westlake Whitney It mentions Dr. Mann. The full article begins on 684 with a Homer B. Mann. This one I think is something Joe is looking for.

It mentions Dr. Mann's family. His father was a preacher. It says at the time of that publication that Dr A. H. Mann was a practicing Dentist of Kansas City. Worth the read.

Good Luck Joe

If you need any help just pm me.

[drahmann]

pg 685 of Kansas City, Missouri: its history and its people 1808-1908, Volume 3 By Carrie Westlake Whitney It mentions Dr. Mann. The full article begins on 684 with a Homer B. Mann. This one I think is something Joe is looking for.

It mentions Dr. Mann's family. His father was a preacher. It says at the time of that publication that Dr A. H. Mann was a practicing Dentist of Kansas City. Worth the read.

this is a different Dr. Mann. My Dr. Mann's father was also a doctor.

[jag]

Jan 1, 2012 11:46:10 GMT -6 drahmann said:

pg 685 of Kansas City, Missouri: its history and its people 1808-1908, Volume 3 By Carrie Westlake Whitney It mentions Dr. Mann. The full article begins on 684 with a Homer B. Mann. This one I think is something Joe is looking for.

It mentions Dr. Mann's family. His father was a preacher. It says at the time of that publication that Dr A. H. Mann was a practicing Dentist of Kansas City. Worth the read.

this is a different Dr. Mann. My Dr. Mann's father was also a doctor.

Like much of what goes on here, and way to much of it is done over the internet, we can't do your research for you. That was my point. While whether what I found or for that matter anyone else finds over this machine, you, and only you can be the final arbiter of what you feel is true or not, as it is your ancestor, not mine.

While such research efforts might be worthy of some effort upon our part, I think it prudent to state that whatever efforts we've made, whether successfull or not, might have enriched your knowledge and furthered your cause. If not, in either, then I've nothing to further add and more to lose by pursuing this any further.

Happy New Year

[drahmann]

Like much of what goes on here, and way to much of it is done over the internet, we can't do your research for you. That was my point. While whether what I found or for that matter anyone else finds over this machine, you, and only you can be the final arbiter of what you feel is true or not, as it is your ancestor, not mine.

While such research efforts might be worthy of some effort upon our part, I think it prudent to state that whatever efforts we've made, whether successfull or not, might have enriched your knowledge and furthered your cause. If not, in either, then I've nothing to further add and more to lose by pursuing this any further.

Jag,
I'm not sure WHAT I missed here but I DO research on my own. I mearly pointed out that the information listed was not the family that I am related to. I didn't want the thread to take a direction that would not help the discussion.
Joe

[markland]

Jan 1, 2012 11:22:21 GMT -6 jag said:

Much of the research can be done online. It's tedious and intensive investigative work that I don't have the time for. However someone like Joe should be able to find the time to keep this type of research going.

Here is some additional information I dug up after about a half hours try.

skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/archives/allen/history/1901/618.html

Dr. D. L. Rogers came to Toronto from Canada in 1871. He was a bright and earnest worker, became tired of Kansas life and returned to the Queen's Dominion where he died in 1891. The same year (1871) Dr. A. H. Mann came to Toronto. He was just from the regular army and only remained out of the service, and in the practice at Toronto, a few years. He returned to Toronto again in 1875 and remained many years. He performed the first amputation that was done in Woodson and was regarded as one of the able physicians and surgeons of his day and county. He resided in Illinois when the Spanish-American war broke out and was commissioned a surgeon in one of the regiments raised in that state and did duty at Tampa, Florida. Doctor R. B. Marr, a bright young man from one of the St. Louis colleges, located in Toronto in 1875 where he was an active and energetic man, wedded to his profession. He became inoculated with a loathsome disease while attending a patient and, as a price for his martyrdom, was incapacitated, for many years, for pro-

books.google.com/books?id=DH0UAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA685&lpg=PA685&dq=dr+ah+mann,+army+-ahmann&source=bl&ots=hxQF_ftZ5c&sig=f8mrVQpP8FsoUpN0VGV0HZcSpL8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xIwAT6H0AorK2AWiu7yYAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=dr%20ah%20mann%2C%20army%20-ahmann&f=false

pg 685 of Kansas City, Missouri: its history and its people 1808-1908, Volume 3 By Carrie Westlake Whitney It mentions Dr. Mann. The full article begins on 684 with a Homer B. Mann. This one I think is something Joe is looking for.

It mentions Dr. Mann's family. His father was a preacher. It says at the time of that publication that Dr A. H. Mann was a practicing Dentist of Kansas City. Worth the read.

Good Luck Joe

If you need any help just pm me.

Whether Homer Mann was related or not, the first paragraph and what I'm pasting match your description of Dr. Mann. From www.getruralkansas.org/Toronto/168Explore/1133.shtml

On September 1, 1861, Arad Mann started his military career by joining the Twenty-Sixth Illinois Volunteer Infantry. In the four years he served with them he climbed the ranks from hospital steward to assistant surgeon. Mann then joined the regular U.S. Army as assistant surgeon in the Spring of 1866. After accompanying General Custer and the Seventh Calvary to Yellowstone and the Black Hills he immediately telegraphed his resignation once he was ordered out on Custer's fatal expedition in 1875.

On September 2, 1875 he married Eleanor Eads, cousin of Capt. J. B. Eads. Dr. Mann practiced medicine in Chicago for three years before coming to Toronto and continuing with his profession.

He is buried at Toronto Cemetery.

Happy New Year to all.

Billy

[markland]

I never saw Dr. Mann in any of the Ft. Lincoln returns but they only start in 1871 or 1872. A search on Ancestry shows the first mention of him at Ft. Fetterman on the November 1867 return. The return states that he was a citizen physician and that he joined for duty at the post on 10/29/1867. The Ft. Fetterman return of March 1868 states: "Relieved from duty at Post March 22, '68 and ordered to report to the Med. Dir. Dept. of the Platte, his term of Contract having expired." Again he was listed as a civilian physician.

A Dr. A. H. Mann showed up as the acting assistant surgeon at Pine Bluff, Arkansas and in charge of the hospital as of July 20, '68. He replaced A.A. Surgeon James Lewis whose contract was annulled July 17, '68.

Dr. A. H. Mann next appears on the Ft. Stephenson on the October 1871 post return. The line reads that he was a civilian physician who was employed in the post hospital (under Capt. J. [F.?] Kimball, Post Surgeon. He joined the post on October 24, '71 per Special Order 155, Hq. Dept. of Dakota, July 12, '71. Note, if this is the same Dr. Mann as at Pine Bluff, the last mention of him at Pine Bluff was on the March '69 return.

The Ft. Stevenson December '72 return states that Dr. Mann was discharged at Ft. Randall due to his contract being annulled dated September 12, '72. The Ft. Randall post return of September 1872 states he was a contract surgeon whose contract was annulled.

He next appears at the Grand River Agency post as a citizen physician joining the post June 6, '73. The last mention of him at Grand River was on the April '75 post return. The May '75 returns shows an acting assistant surgeon, Dr. Davis, being assigned and arriving at the post. He was assigned per S.O. 72, Dept. of Dakota, April 29, '75.

In between Ft. Randall and Grand River, a Dr. A. H. Mann was post surgeon at Opelika, AL. He was assigned per a S.O. from the Dept. of the South dated January 4, '73. He joined the post on January 14, '73. The post commander was Lt. Winfield Edgerly, 7th Cavalry. Only appears on the January & February '73 returns. The March '73 through November '74, inclusive returns are not included. The December '74 return indicates a new surgeon, Dr. J. T. Warnock replaced him. Dr. Warnock had been post surgeon since October 26, '74 per the December '74 return.

Enough for now as I don't want to lose this.

Billy

[markland]

OK, that is all for A.H. Mann until the 1890's.

Billy

[drahmann]

A gentle lady from across the Big Pond reports that DeWolf's diary has several mentions of Dr. Mann. A copy is available on Amazon:

Not sure if this is acceptable here but this book, while VERY interesting, didn't turn out to be what I needed. I will give somebody a deal if they are interested in purchasing it.

Thanks,
Joe

[KarlKoz]

Paul Hedren's book Great Sioux War Orders of Battle has an appendix named
'Medical Officers and Contract Surgeons Engaged in the Great Sioux War' but none are named Mann.
He has listed a total of 45 medical officers and contract surgeons.
His two sources are:
1) Personal History of Surgeons Serving in the Department of the Platte, 1876-1877,
Records of the U.S. Army Continental Commands, National Archives, Washington D.C.
2) Records of the Association of Acting Assistant Surgeons of the United States Army
by W. Thornton Parker

[fred]

Steve Wilk and Karl,

Is the Hedren book worth the money? Is it more a reference work or just another man's opinion? (I am tired of opinions, having enough of my own.) I am always on the lookout for good, well-researched reference stuff.

Best wishes,
Fred.

[drahmann]

Paul Hedren's book Great Sioux War Orders of Battle has an appendix named
'Medical Officers and Contract Surgeons Engaged in the Great Sioux War' but none are named Mann.
He has listed a total of 45 medical officers and contract surgeons.
His two sources are:
1) Personal History of Surgeons Serving in the Department of the Platte, 1876-1877,
Records of the U.S. Army Continental Commands, National Archives, Washington D.C.
2) Records of the Association of Acting Assistant Surgeons of the United States Army
by W. Thornton Parker

My Dr. Mann served between about 1866- 1875 this reference is 1876-1877

[drahmann]

found a photo of my Dr. Arad Harvey Mann

Attachments:

[drahmann]

Photo from about the time that he was with Custer. He was a surgeon and was with him on the 1873 & 1874 expeditions

Attachments:

[backwater]

old news but did this book get printed? Doctor Arad Harvey Mann
The Fascinating Career of a Surgeon and Soldier
By Joseph Stephen Schulte · 2014......Page count: 89
Published: 2014
Publisher: J.S. Schulte