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Post by Yan Taylor on Jan 23, 2014 9:42:16 GMT -6
Hello Chuck, yes I got the jist to what he meant, Fred answered a question on time zones and Tom threw in that Billings was founded in 1882, and I was looking at Bolt-Action Rifles used by the US Navy in the 1880s and it all seemed so coincidental so I posted the rifle date.
I would be happy to base the time scale on St Paul’s time.
Ian.
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Post by scottbono on Jan 23, 2014 19:06:04 GMT -6
Fecalith in the Circle of Willis The above is not a foreign language (as I have been queried a few times). I'll be mannerly and simply say the 'Circle of Willis' is in the brain; anatomically it is the cerebral arterial circle. The important thing, however, is remembering it's in the brain. A 'fecalith' is a portion of that first syllable and is a medically quaint term of reference to a state of mind more colorfully described by those arousing Quincannon's ire. It is, however, appropriate for the particular time it was used here. |
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Post by herosrest on Mar 10, 2015 10:39:45 GMT -6
Going the extra mile. When three quarters of a mile has to become one and three quarters to meet a century and more of accepted opinion. When Henry B. Freeman stated three quarters of a mile, he really knew what he was talking about because he had made that march on 27th June 1876, in Company with Benteen, Wallace, Varnum, Ree scouts, Reno was there, DeRudio as well. Maguire was present. For some reason, Freeman was out front and came to Keogh's remains before Benteen. Did he mistake Keogh for Custer....... well, Keogh was left wearing his scapula, a Black Robe man of the Papal Guard. (see note) Note - We know this from Paints Brown. Taming of the Sioux.  |
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 10, 2015 10:53:15 GMT -6
Good old Herosrest still as cryptic as usual.
Ian.
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Post by herosrest on Mar 10, 2015 11:15:02 GMT -6
Things started going awry when Moylan disclosed that Keogh's battalion consisted of companies I, B and C. Thus, a considerable majority of battle theory and its research is eminently discardable. This includes many heavy-weight experts.
How they hanging, Mr. T ?
I remain convinced that King's idea of echelon across MTC onto the hills, was the way of it. Only way to cater for the threat of an attack from the east. Until a suitable crossing place was found. That was stalled, when as several Cheyennes told, an officer was shot and the companies all halted. For 20 minutes or so, when they could have gotten away.
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Post by quincannon on Mar 10, 2015 11:32:25 GMT -6
And I remain convinced that you are a distinguished alumni of Saint Elizabeth's institution of higher learning in Washington D.C. and as such your knowledge of what transpired is beyond all of us and is exceeded only by the knowledge of the Almighty.
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Post by dave on Mar 10, 2015 12:52:30 GMT -6
QC
Summa Cum Laude.
Regards
Dave
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 10, 2015 13:16:05 GMT -6
Herorest, what on earth was unusual about Moylan disclosing that Keogh commanded a battalion made up of B, C & I;  Ian. |
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Post by quincannon on Mar 10, 2015 15:02:30 GMT -6
Ian: You are attempting to have a rational conversation with a board certified lunatic.
Dave: If there was a Summa, Summa, Summa, there would still not be enough Summas.
I think he is one of John Hinkley's frat brothers, not sure of course.
He has progressed though. He can now sort out all the green ones from a box of Gummy Bears.
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Post by herosrest on Mar 10, 2015 17:28:06 GMT -6
Herorest, what on earth was unusual about Moylan disclosing that Keogh commanded a battalion made up of B, C & L; View AttachmentIan. On 25th June 1876, the opinion of experts explaining the deployment of the wing containing companies F, E and L.......... Note your typo with L for I. You're going to tell me Moylan switched companies? |
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Post by tubman13 on Mar 11, 2015 5:07:06 GMT -6
Herorest, what on earth was unusual about Moylan disclosing that Keogh commanded a battalion made up of B, C & L; Ian. On 25th June 1876, the opinion of experts explaining the deployment of the wing containing companies F, E and L.......... Note your typo with L for I. You're going to tell me Moylan switched companies? HR, regarding your question. No, but his company should have been with George, Weir as well. They were Custer fan boys and probably spy's for George.
Regards, Tom
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Post by Yan Taylor on Mar 11, 2015 5:11:45 GMT -6
HR no not at all, the regiment was re-organised prior to the battle and companies were swapped around, I just don’t know why you are so surprised at that.
Thanks for telling me about the typo, I have corrected the error.
Ian.
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Post by herosrest on Mar 11, 2015 17:13:04 GMT -6
On 25th June 1876, the opinion of experts explaining the deployment of the wing containing companies F, E and L.......... Note your typo with L for I. You're going to tell me Moylan switched companies? HR, regarding your question. No, but his company should have been with George, Weir as well. They were Custer fan boys and probably spy's for George.
Regards, Tom
I feel that the rivalries and in Reno's case his ambition to command a regiment, proved in hindsight to be pure poison. Not on 25th June but in the aftermath. Terry got it about right with a dignified OMG.... look what the idiots have done. There was an awful lot of blame to go around and no-one prepared to be covered in muck and disgrace. It can be simple. It can be complicated. None of the three deserve any sympathy and to my mind an awful lot is ignored to keep a brave face on things. Dealing with Reno and Benteen is pretty straight-forward because there is so much to chew on, despite the two guys smug reticence. As an example and just so that Reno fans don't feel left out, he vanished into the timber with a half his effective fighting force and invited the problems which then occured. He had 50 odd men lined up mounting and dismounting like ducks in a gallery as his position fell apart. He then got a third of his battalion killed galloping out of a fight with backs to the enemy. Outstanding! It is reasonably certain, that Custer's retreat from the river ran into the same snag. There were too many hostiles for games of maneuver. There was sufficient fire-power to make everything within 300 yards eat dirt. |
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Post by tubman13 on Mar 11, 2015 17:34:12 GMT -6
HR, that is if the majority of the troops engaged knew how to use the sliding bar sight on their rifle and if the NA's were not moving targets. The 45-70 dropped like a rock at distance. You had to know how to compensate with that sight. I wonder how many used the adjustment?
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Post by herosrest on Mar 11, 2015 17:51:09 GMT -6
From what I know, gleaned, Reno initially had them set to 400 yards and wasn't aware of the bench. Lucky people in the tepees. Very lucky with those heavy slugs zipping through. First casualties were down at the Minnieconjou and Sans Arc lodges. All sorts of issues with weapons and handling were sorted out pretty smartly after LBH. Incidently, the guy that Whittaker dedicated his Volunteer Cavalry book to, Watts de Peyster, was the architect of the skirmish line as battle line in US army. Getting it right and ironing out the wrikles took a while. Same principles broadly hold today. Firepower, eat dirt.
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