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Post by HinTamaheca on Jul 28, 2009 11:56:55 GMT -6
The Wounded Knee Massacre - 29 December 1890 Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota. Wounded Knee Massacre site - 1890 {photo by John C. H. Grabill) Wounded Knee Massacre site - 1 January 1891 {photo by George E. Trager} Wounded Knee Massacre site - 1 January 1891 Wounded Knee Massacre site - 1 January 1891 Big Foot's frozen body at Wounded Knee Massacre site - January 1891 {photo by George E. Trager} Big Foot's frozen body at Wounded Knee Massacre site - January 1891 Gathering of Lakota victims at Wounded Knee Massacre site - January 1891 Burial of Lakota victims at Wounded Knee Massacre site - January 1891 Burial of Lakota victims at Wounded Knee Massacre site - January 1891
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Post by newn on Aug 6, 2009 6:57:20 GMT -6
there are at least two different Wounded knee Photographs showing a rifle beside the body of a Slain Lakota. The caption claims the body is that of the "Medicine Man" which implies that the rifle in the picture is the one which was fired and which started the killing. Apparently whoever wrote the caption had their facts mixed up-for although there was a medicine man {Yellow Bird} among the Lakota, the gun which was fired {in the pictures{?} belonged to Black Coyote Picture in question: See links in message #9 this section: lbha.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=knee&action=modifypost&thread=3555&post=67183
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Post by conz on Aug 6, 2009 11:51:57 GMT -6
Beautiful horse under the Army officer in #11 photo.
Clair
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 7, 2009 11:10:47 GMT -6
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Post by conz on Aug 8, 2009 9:10:16 GMT -6
LOL...just an Old Soldier jerking your chain, Crzhrs...sorry. <g>
Soldiers and Warriors lived with those sights everyday...I'm just reflecting the attitude, and you did get the point.
I do think those are ugly and disturbing photos. For those who lived in those scenes, they have to deal with that, and my attitude is one of the ways that those veterans did it...with a little humor in seeing a beautiful thing standing out in the midst of the macabre...
Clair
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Post by Diane Merkel on Aug 8, 2009 19:52:42 GMT -6
I've had it with Clair's idea of humor. He not only is trying to pull chains here but on the American-Tribes board also. We have a zero tolerance policy for that board.
Goodbye, Clair. You have pissed me off for the last time.
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 9, 2009 14:41:08 GMT -6
The poor horse has no choice in the matter . . . it's an animal controlled by a HUMAN . . . apparently you have more compassion for a horse than for a person.
For someone who is a military man (and never fought in combat) who must have come in contact with "real" soldiers who actually were in combat it is inconceivable that you have no idea what combat is.
I was in the military during the Vietnam War and there was nothing funny about combat. My father fought in WWII against the Japanese in the Phillipines. He never used comedy to comfort the horror he witnessed. There is nothing funny about war.
I think you need to volunteer for Afghanistan or Irag . . .maybe you will get it.
I certainly get it, Diane.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Aug 10, 2009 9:07:10 GMT -6
I know you do, Crazy, and I appreciate you.
Diane
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Post by Melani on Aug 11, 2009 8:58:44 GMT -6
I can't see well enough to tell--is the mounted officer by any chance Varnum?
I think it is human nature to see incongruities in the midst of horrific situations--it's how people stay sane. Have you ever been in the midst of some catastrophe, and then suddenly noticed that the sun is still shining and the sky is still blue? April 18, 1906, was a beautiful day in San Francisco, except for the earthquake.
That photo of Big Foot is displayed like a trophy in every bar and coffee shop in that part of South Dakota, or was when I was there in 1970. I hope things have changed.
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Post by newn on Aug 11, 2009 13:52:00 GMT -6
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Post by HinTamaheca on Aug 13, 2009 9:57:19 GMT -6
George Bartlett, Deputy U.S. Marshall for the Pine Ridge and Rosebud Reservations, in front of the post office and general store near Wounded Knee Creek, operated by Louis Mousseau. Bartlett was sent to try to persuade the Lakota to stop the Ghost Dance. View to the west across the valley of the Wounded Knee Creek massacre site. View to the southeast from hill where Lakota bodies were buried after the Wounded Knee massacre. Includes tipi poles marking location of the camp; men loading frozen bodies into wagons. The Army camp was located to the far left. Another photographer with his tripod camera can be seen in the foreground. View of the snow covered ravine where Lakota sought shelter during the massacre. Frozen Lakota bodies can be seen where soldiers fired and killed from both sides of the ravine. View northwest (not S.W. as labeled) over the massacre site, shows the burial party, including a Lakota woman, at the west end of the snow covered camp with frozen bodies and tipi poles visable. The mass grave is being dug on the hill where the Hotchkiss guns were used. View over the massacre site at Wounded Knee Creek, shows frozen bodies of Lakota on the snow covered ground with the civilian burial party with horses and a wagon in the distance. View from center of the Lakota camp to the northeast, across the council circle, after the massacre. Shows scattered frozen bodies in the snow (women's bodies in foreground); tipi poles; one with a soldier standing under them; a broken down wagon; and U. S. soldiers and horses in the distance. View to the northeast of Lieutenant Sydney A. Cloman, 1st Infantry, on his horse on the Wounded Knee massacre site among the frozen bodies of the slain Lakota on the snow, including Big Foot on the left. Cloman accompanied the burial party and drew the official map of the scene of the massacre. View of the slain body of Big Foot, propped up in the snow on the Wounded Knee massacre site. U. S. soldiers, civilian burial party members, and a stovepipe from an army tent show in background. (The location of the army tent is so close to the council circle, that it was most likely Big Foot's tent. It is documented that Major Samuel Whitside of the 7th Cavalry ordered a stove placed in Big Foot's tent.) Close-up of the twisted and frozen slain body of Big Foot, Mniconjou Lakota, propped up on the Wounded Knee massacre site. View southwest from just outside of council circle after the massacre, shows men holding moccasins and other souvenirs among the frozen bodies of Lakota on the snow covered ground. View east from council circle of the slain frozen bodies of Lakota men and women, including the body identified as a "Medicine Man," posed with a rifle. Close-up of the body identified as a "Medicine Man," posed with a rifle. Interior of the Holy Cross Episcopal Church at the Pine Ridge Agency, South Dakota, after the massacre at Wounded Knee. Shows Army men and a Lakota man standing, with wounded Lakota from Wounded Knee laying on the hay covered floor of the church -- still decorated with Christmas garlands. A civilian burial party stands by their wagon filled with the frozen bodies of Lakota men and women, in a ravine south of the camp at Wounded Knee Creek. Mounted U.S. Army officers look on from hill above. A civilian burial party and U.S. soldiers pose over a mass grave trench with bodies of Lakota men, women and children killed at Wounded Knee Creek.
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 13, 2009 11:29:33 GMT -6
I've seen some of these photos but many I have not.
A most horrible & ugly "affair" that would rival anything in modern history . . . pictures do not lie.
Some of the photos remind me of photos taken at concentration camps after US troops "liberated" them.
I wonder what Conz would say about the soldiers posing with Indian "souvenirs"?
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Post by wolfgang911 on Aug 13, 2009 16:34:52 GMT -6
the worst are the ones from the ravine where unarmed wounded men women and children sougth shelter it was just a killing frenzy that we had to discuss on this board whether the army was acting moral..
when I see this pictures I'm happy there was a LBH before (and if not it should have been after - chicken or the egg), some sort of a revenge, some kinda justice, to make 19th century history not an endless list of winter camps gunned down by us cavalry with little resistance as they could not beat them in the open
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 14, 2009 11:00:41 GMT -6
While I can understand why soldiers fired when Indians were goaded into a violent act . . . I cannot for the life of my understand why officers did not order a "cease fire" once the initial Indians were shot down.
To continue the onslaught of innocent non-coms who were only trying to get away is something I will hold against those soldiers. And let's not forget it was the re-assembled 7th Cavalry with a number of LBH officers in charge who continued the killing.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Aug 14, 2009 11:19:33 GMT -6
The deed was done when the cavalry brain trust assigned the 7th with just those individuals to the task. What the hell did they think would happen? I'm sure, despite the feigned horror of some, it played out as they hoped with no paper trail of orders. Terrify the Sioux, pose as compassionate humanitarian after who's simply outraged! Win-win for Miles.
And frankly, having lived with the institutional memory of the LBH for years, it's not cruel to give some slack to the guys who over-reacted and started firing. They were probably terrified as well.
Why were they there, anyway? Well, couple of reasons, but the big fear was that there would be big future problems because of the Ghost Dance. Reference Bourke: we'd look less idiotic to the world if we didn't go to pieces every time some demented medicine man claimed he could raise the dead.
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