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Post by lizs on Jan 30, 2009 19:06:02 GMT -6
OK, maybe not QUITE LBH... but hey, I love it. We can list when it's on (and if ya hate it, rip me ) RIGHT NOW... 7 p.m. central... Jan. 30... WGNAMER Kevin is just ready to ride across the Civil War battlefield!!! EDIT: DIANE!! Can you fix my typo in the thread title??/ waaahhh...
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Post by lizs on Jan 31, 2009 20:41:47 GMT -6
Thanks much, Diane!
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Post by El Crab on Feb 1, 2009 19:04:30 GMT -6
I have the special edition widescreen VHS copy, that came with a book and some rather nice glossy prints. I also have the special DVD copy, which comes with a cover that I think resembles Dunbar's journal.
And the soundtrack, which was pretty good. Especially The Buffalo Hunt, which has a nice military feel to it in the background. I think its flutes.
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Post by lizs on Feb 4, 2009 17:28:14 GMT -6
Tonight (Wednesday, Feb. 4), 9 p.m. central, CMTV. Here I thought it was Black History Month, but I guess it's "Dissatisfied Cavalry Officer Heads to the Indian Frontier Month" - this is the third showing since the first I noted, on a variety of channels. And El Crab, I'm jealous! ;-P
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Post by Montana Bab on Feb 4, 2009 18:45:24 GMT -6
I've seen this movie five times, first in a movie house which was great, then on TV, and I could watch it five more times and then some! I thought it was the best Western movie I've ever seen, and have not changed my opinion.
The only thing I regret about this movie was that it had to end, and that there wasn't many, many sequels!
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Post by lizs on Feb 4, 2009 19:23:37 GMT -6
Montana Bab, we could go the Star Wars route and discuss not only sequels... but prequels!! Make up a history for Dunbar to explain why he headed for the West. And.... as would be inevitable... pick up the trail as they left Spearfish Canyon... errr, I mean, wherever the heck they were supposed to be leaving in the movie!
LIZS' VERSION - FIRST SCENE OF SEQUEL:
First off, Runs with Wind In His Hair (is that his name?), with his tendency to shout out things about his relationship with others (he'd do well on Facebook!) gives away the group's location as he yelled his clifftop good-byes to Dunbar and Stands With A Fist....
Thus ensues a massacre of his tribe by the Cavalry, whereby he goes off to another cliff edge and yells, "I am Runs With Wind In His Hair. They are my people. I am Runs With Wind In His Hair. I will love you forever. I am Runs With Wind In His Hair. I will go live in a cave and forever honor your memory. (horse turns a tight circle and rears). I am Runs With Wind In His Hair."... And then the lone three remaining members of his tribe sneak up, count coup on him and tell him to Shut The F*** up!
Not to be outdone (and preparing for a later stint in the Western US Dakota Indian Wrestling Association - WUSDIWA, where she would become a star) Stands With A Fist amazingly shows up, not only counting coup, but knocking him out with a punch.
**sorry for the language and a bit of non-PC... but you guys are a salty bunch, right?
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Post by bc on Feb 4, 2009 21:41:59 GMT -6
You girls aren't fooling me. I'm on to ya. The real reason you like that movie is so you can see Costner's bare derriere!
It has been playing on the westerns channel every few weeks for a number of months now. Usually in close proximity to She wore a yellow Ribbon.
They took an excellent movie about NA ways of life and then ruined it with the bare butt scene.
The reality is that it ranks down there Saving Private Ryan and Titanic. A good place for them all is about 12,000 feet deep. Excellent cinematography, effects, and screenplay, but all based upon a story that never happened. Saving Private Ryan has the best movie made for displaying the graphic battle effects. Too bad it was all based on a lie, no private Ryan. Very, very disappointing. Titanic was a very moving story till I found out it was all made up. Can't stand to think about it. Same for Dunbar and his wolves. What a waste to be so historically accurate in every detail but the story. Guess that's why I read historical non-fiction instead of novels. These movies were all played up like they were documentaries.
Most other movies, I can accept as a Hollywood depiction. By the way, just read that Ken Curtis, aka Festus from Gunsmoke was with the Sons of the Pioneers from 49 to 52 and he is the one who sang I'll take you home Kathleen in the Rio Grande movie. Thought the singer looked familiar.
bc
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Post by biggordie on Feb 5, 2009 0:21:36 GMT -6
Ken was a great singer [witness also his singing in The Searchers - Skip to my Lou]] which got lost in his Festus Hagen characterization, which he did as differently named personna in a couple of other Ford films - Two Rode Together comes to mind. He also had a brief fling as a B western hero in a few flicks.
Gordie
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Post by lizs on Feb 5, 2009 10:58:41 GMT -6
Am NOT saying it was a documentary. Am having fun with "Dances With Wolves." I was trying to be funny in my last post... was it funny?? Bueller? Bueller??
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Post by bc on Feb 5, 2009 13:00:34 GMT -6
lizs, your comedic post was just fine. Only the first part of my comedic post was directed at you. I don't think you said anything about a documentary. The rest of my post was just a general rant about these big productions that go to the extreme spending a beaucoup millons of dollars to be realistic which makes it appear to be a documentary and then turns out not be a real life story. Kinda like 300. I wanted to see that till I found out it wasn't about 300 live guys facing the masses at Thermopolaye ala the original movie but instead just a bunch of graphics put together. Refuse to watch it even while free on HBO.
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Post by clw on Feb 5, 2009 13:04:39 GMT -6
Some reviews.... "Sweat lodges, peace pipes, vision quests, sun dances and animal totems are all part of American Indian religion. We know this because we have seen Dances With Wolves." "Costner makes no pretense of seeing the Indian world through an Indian’s eyes, and in part, this may be why this film is so romantic... This concept of the vanishing frontier, more specifically in this case, the vanishing Indian is at the heart of the Eurocentric view. This is the biggest flaw of Costner’s vision and the film itself. Death is quite symbolic in Dances With Wolves. It’s all around Lieutenant Dunbar. From his participation in the Civil War, to the death of animals, to the eventual demise of the whole indigenous culture. The latter of course is a myth. That’s what makes the Eurocentric vision so flawed. Indians have not died. We are still here. Through the Indian wars, assimilation, and socioeconomic turmoil, the Indian people have persevered. But while Kevin Costner may have helped perpetuate that myth to an extent in his film, he also piqued enough interest so that Indians can now prove those stereotypes wrong and opended the door for the work of those like N. Scott Momaday, Chris Eyre and Sherman Alexlie to be mainnstreamed. Costner helped push a golden age, if you could call it that, of Indian film and Indian interests which have expanded into the world of literature as well. Indian literature and film are relatively mainstream now. They transcend Indian audiences. The importance of that interest cannot ever be understated." Or as Thomas Builds-the-Fire said, You know the only thing more pathetic than Indians on T.V.? Indians watching Indians on T.V. Thomas also said.... Sometimes it's a good day to die, sometimes it's a good day to have breakfast.Having offered those views, I've lost track of the number of time I've watched it. Now I only watch up to the point where Dunbar goes back for his journal. Just plain depressing after that.
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Post by lew on Feb 5, 2009 13:55:07 GMT -6
I hated 'Dances With Wolves' saw it once and never again. I remember telling my cousin after watching 'Braveheart' that it almost made me ashamed to be English! Same with 'Dances with Wolves' it almost made me ashamed to be a Euro-American. Costner made up by making 'Field of Dreams' and Mel Gibson did likewise with " The Patriot' My favorite war movie is 'Das Boot' www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-S25i5VIX4&feature=related
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Post by biggordie on Feb 5, 2009 14:53:51 GMT -6
Hell, Larry - I thought you wuz gonna post some links to Ken Curtis singin'........
Gordie
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Post by lew on Feb 5, 2009 16:08:54 GMT -6
Ken Curtis singin' www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWR6FLnPack&feature=related As I told you before my mother sang in a couple of shows sponsored by WLS in Chicago with The Sons of The Pioneers. Gordie my Uncle gave me an old 78 rpm record of my mothers radio show-dated 1948-1950? Its so old I can't get much off it-do you have any recording equipment that might pick up the sound better? If so I'll send it to you to copy. Larry
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Post by lizs on Feb 5, 2009 16:25:14 GMT -6
Almost made me ashamed to be a native Iowan.
NOT!!! I love it that I'm from Iowa... and yes, have stepped out of the corn onto the field by Dyersville.
OF NOTE: That Doc Graham guy from the movie is buried in a cemetery in Rochester, MN (learned that through, what else, geocaching...)
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