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Post by Tricia on May 16, 2008 16:36:26 GMT -6
[shadow=red,left,300]boingggggg!!![/shadow]
That is one ... errrr ... healthy maiden. I don't think she can buy off the rack at Victoria's Secret (their sizes stop at 36DD). For some reason this painting causes me to fall into hysterical laughter!
Thanks, Cefil! Everyone needs to write a - a - a formal analysis of this work of art and hand it in tomorrow morning!
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Post by Tricia on May 16, 2008 16:44:05 GMT -6
What are their names--oh, I meant--her name, anyhow?
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Post by cefil on May 16, 2008 17:21:37 GMT -6
I don't think she can buy off the rack at Victoria's Secret. Speaking of racks...It is impressive, isn't it? I *know* she has a specific name, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is, and I can't lay my hands on my source for the picture...I seem to be distracted... cefil
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Post by BrokenSword on May 16, 2008 17:32:45 GMT -6
Brunnhilde?
Well, sorta reminds me of the Death of Sigfried in the Ring Cycle, maybe. Or as Elmer Fudd sang it, "I killed the wabbit! I killed the wabbit!...."
Heck, cefil, all women are 'impressive' when wearing those huge iron brazieres.
M
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Post by alfuso on May 16, 2008 17:38:21 GMT -6
essay onna painting of the Valkerie
it sucks canal water
alfuso
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Post by Tricia on May 16, 2008 17:50:23 GMT -6
And this is one of my favourite paintings. Painted by Alexander Lawrie and in the collection of the Smithsonian Institute, it has a rather snappy title. All abbreviations are the artist's; George A. Custer, Bvt. Maj. Gen.: I tend to think Armstrong's hair is a bit too snowy-blond, but what do I know? T-shulya
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 16, 2008 20:33:00 GMT -6
Trish, you can ask Joan Croy about GAC's bosom buddy. She sent us one of those, too. I can't remember who painted it, or why Joan was sending it to people. It's still rolled up in a tube somewhere around here.
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Post by Tricia on May 16, 2008 20:54:55 GMT -6
Trish, you can ask Joan Croy about GAC's bosom buddy. She sent us one of those, too. I can't remember who painted it, or why Joan was sending it to people. It's still rolled up in a tube somewhere around here. I'd keep it there. Steve and Sandy have Custer And Brunhilde, The Maiden Of Valhalla(?) hanging over their buffet, I think, or in the breezeway between their kitchen and dining room. Its frame is rather nice, thank goodness, and in their house, the thing doesn't look too out of place. Phillip also used to laugh and laugh every time he saw the thing--those b'zooms could injure a fellow! Maybe they remind Steve of the good ol' days on the dairy farm, eh? As they say, anything more than a handful ... can kill at the correct angle. And I'm dying of laughter! Miss Thang KIMMN (Kitsch Is My Middle Name)
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Post by Treasuredude on May 16, 2008 23:08:27 GMT -6
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Post by rch on May 16, 2008 23:15:20 GMT -6
Re: The pictures of Custer in replies # 1 & 10.
Cox in "Custer and His Commands" says the numeral on the helmet is an "8." I couldn't be sure though I have now found a larger print and it does look more like an "8" than a "7.
The reasons I believe it is likely to be a borrowed uniform is first that there are no numerals on the epaulettes. Second, the series of photos taken by Mora are unique among photos taken of Custer in full dress uniform. These are the only photos in which the part of the helmet cords that attach to the helmet are visible. Furthermore the tassel at the helmet end of the cords has not been removed from the cord. Custer's helmet in the Smithsonian and in the 1873 photo of Custer seated and holding binoculars have the tassel attached to the helmet without the cord. I think that that was an alteration Custer would not have made on a borrowed helmet.
My speculation that the uniform might have been borrowed from Thomas Devin, Lt Col 8th Cavalry, was just that - speculation and remains an untide shoe lace waiting to do its worst.
Re; The Fort Ellis photo.
I think this is probably misidentified. (18 May - See correction in Reply # 39)
I believe James Forsyth is standing 3rd from the left. The uniform is very similiar if not identical the a uniform Forsyth was photographed wearing early in the Civil War. In that photo he is sitting on a box of "Army Bread" and the entire background is filled with boxes. In early 1871 Forsyth had just returned from Europe. He had accompanied Sheridan who was a military observer to the Franco-Prussian War. He could have had time to visit Ft Ellis, but he and Sheridan seemed to have been joined at the hip, and I don't think Sheridan got to Ft Ellis. Furthemore by 1871 Forsyth would have been refered to as General, for his brevet rank; Colonel, for his local rank as a member of Sheridan's staff; or Major for his rank in the line.
Re: The angel in reply #14.
I don't think Valkyrie wore red and white stipes and blue dresses with white stars. If she is a Valkyrie, she's been natualized.
I've always been a leg man myself. The little bit of the lady's pins visible leads me to ask if in 1876 angels, the Valkyrie, or anyone shaved her legs?
rch
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 16, 2008 23:55:28 GMT -6
Martin Pate! Thanks, Dude. Now I'm wondering if it was Joan who sent it to us. Somebody did.
Martin is the artist of the waysides at the battlefield.
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Post by clw on May 17, 2008 6:51:29 GMT -6
Re; The Fort Ellis photo. I think this is probably misidentified. I believe James Forsyth is standing 3rd from the left. The uniform is very similiar if not identical the a uniform Forsyth was photographed wearing early in the Civil War. In that photo he is sitting on a box of "Army Bread" and the entire background is filled with boxes. In early 1871 Forsyth had just returned from Europe. He had accompanied Sheridan who was a military observer to the Franco-Prussian War. He could have had time to visit Ft Ellis, but he and Sheridan seemed to have been joined at the hip, and I don't think Sheridan got to Ft Ellis. Furthemore by 1871 Forsyth would have been refered to as General, for his brevet rank; Colonel, for his local rank as a member of Sheridan's staff; or Major for his rank in the line. Hey rch~ Am I right you're questioning if Forsyth is even in the photo? I got the captions from On time for Disater by McClernand which says the original is at the Montana Historical Society. I haven't time this morning to check there to see if it's posted and if they caption it differently. If that's not Forsyth, I'd sure like to know who it is, as I think he's got more presence than anyone else in the photo -- I'd even bet that his dog. Except for the cap, he's out of uniform which I think also indicates he's not Forsyth. Why is Doane the only one wearing a sash or whatever that's called across his right shoulder? And Grugan looks like he just came in from a stroll over the Irish countryside. I know nothing about Grugan.
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Post by elisabeth on May 17, 2008 7:01:44 GMT -6
It couldn't be the other Forsyth, could it?
Guessing: might the sash be because Doane's Officer of the Day?
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Post by Tricia on May 17, 2008 8:38:43 GMT -6
Thanks, TD. I knew I could rely on someone to come up with the information! That said, the work I've seen by Pate on the waysides is certainly adequate enough--it's a little more Impressionistic, as I recall. This had to have been a private commission ... its emotional content and sheer over-the-topness of said passion leads me to think so ... well, I hope! And rch ... my husband shared the same fascination with legs. Great minds do/did think alike! Sorry to have made you repeat yourself over here regarding the great "Custer's Borrowed Uniform" debate--damn, even the clothes come up for arguments in Custeriana! Any time I can get you and Elisabeth contributing to the same thread, I'll gladly take it. Miss Thang
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Post by Tricia on May 17, 2008 8:51:51 GMT -6
And rch ... yes, women did shave their legs back then--especially if they were a member of the upper crust. I know I have read references to the practice (in a bathhouse) at least as far back to the 17th Century. It wasn't as common a practice as it is today in Western culture, but like staying perpetually pale (it reflected upon a more leisurely life and wealth), it offered a clue to your status. I have seen photos of what we would not today call pornography featuring women with unshaven pits, but of course, those women were not at the zenith of society.
As a writer, I certainly don't touch upon the practice in my historical narratives, but when I remember that "clean" had a whole different connotation then that what it does now, I do have to put the pen down from time to time! Perfume had a much stronger mission back yonder .... Ick.
And speaking of which ... wasn't being a chanteuse--even to philanthropic organisations in the US--still a bit of a societal strike upon a woman? I have just read a manuscript where a well-off daughter of a prominent businessman (in Plano, TX, come 1900) sings before the local Planter's Ball and keeps her reputation intact.
Perhaps that was more of a British philosophy. --t. Chairchick, NACCers MST, the Bust Nuthouse
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