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Post by Tricia on May 14, 2008 14:51:18 GMT -6
All--
I kind have come across what looks to be a historical anachronism in a manuscript I am reviewing and I just need help to be certain. Okay, there are the Blackfoot(s) who are Sioux or now, Teton Sioux ... and then there are the Blackfeet Cherokee who are actually a mixture of Cherokee and those of African descent, but the name is often bastardised to "Blackfoot" out of perhaps, geneological embarrassment (though heaven knows why) and from imagined Blackfoot Sioux/Cherokee intermarriages in the area of northern Montana.
I ask because I came across a reference to the main character's mother--and her father's tribe--as being Cherokee and later in the manuscript (it takes place near Ft. Benton, MT) the writer refers to the Blackfeet and Sioux as different tribes in the same area ... when the Blackfeet were in the American South. I think the author might be thinking that an entire tribe of Cherokee were running about Northern Custerland!
It's aspirin time. Sorry.
Trish
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Post by grahamew on May 14, 2008 15:20:28 GMT -6
The Blackfeet weren't running around in the American south; they were a three-tribe confederacy running around Montana and Alberta and, doubtless, parts of Saskatchewan often in alliance with the Sarsi and Atsina and usually fighting the Cree and Assiniboin.
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Post by Tricia on May 14, 2008 15:27:53 GMT -6
But they were NOT Cherokee, correct?
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Post by grahamew on May 14, 2008 15:27:57 GMT -6
The Blackfeet weren't running around in the American south; they were a three-tribe Algonquian-speaking confederacy running around Montana and Alberta and, doubtless, parts of Saskatchewan often in alliance with the Atsina and the Athabaskan speaking Sarsi, usually fighting the Cree and Assiniboin.
The Blackfoot/Blackfeet Sioux are no relation.
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Post by grahamew on May 14, 2008 15:29:50 GMT -6
Sorry for the double post. No, I don't know where the Cherokee bit comes in.
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Post by clw on May 14, 2008 16:33:53 GMT -6
Me either. Never heard that before. The Blackfoot confederacy was composed of Piegan/Piikani, Blood/Kainai, and Blackfoot/Siksika nations. Aha - just found this. The Blackfoot/Cherokee mystery is solved here... www.native-languages.org/iaq18.htm |
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Post by Tricia on May 14, 2008 17:09:51 GMT -6
I had read that entry, too. I'm pretty sure there was no tribe of Cherokee running about northern Montana (near Ft. Benton) ... well, I guess so.
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Post by grahamew on May 15, 2008 0:25:31 GMT -6
Ah-hah...
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Post by crzhrs on May 15, 2008 7:07:57 GMT -6
The Blackfeet were the scourge of the northern plains in the early 1800s and were a blocking for advancement. They kept the Mt. Men at bay. I believe they were very aggressive toward Lewis & Clark.
It was diseases that finally weakened them. If they had avoided diseases they may have been a formidable adversary toward White settlement. Not sure if they would have allied themselves with the Northern Sioux. If so, the US would still be trying to win the northern plains.
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Post by BrokenSword on May 15, 2008 9:43:57 GMT -6
I thought you were all talking about Isiah Dorman.
M
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Post by Tricia on May 15, 2008 9:53:41 GMT -6
I thought you were all talking about Isiah Dorman. M Spoken like a true Southerner! |
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Post by BrokenSword on May 15, 2008 12:09:08 GMT -6
Tricia - "...Spoken like a true Southerner!..."
Thankya' Ma'am. Thankya' veramuch!
M
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Post by Tricia on May 15, 2008 16:16:22 GMT -6
And let me guess ... you have a Cherokee grandmother. Or a Southern Blackfeet one.
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Post by BrokenSword on May 15, 2008 17:33:33 GMT -6
Tricia - "...And let me guess ... you have a Cherokee grandmother. Or a Southern Blackfeet one. ..."
Not bad Tish!! A few more 'Grands' in front of 'mother,' and a Choctaw actually. Naturally she was a 'Princess', but the Blackfeet part is right because she would never wear shoes. That's on my father's side.
On my mother's side it was the Creek 'Red Sticks'. Ever heard of the Ft. Mims massacre? I had ancestors killed on both sides there, and in the Creek War that followed.
Beyond that, it's the usual gaggle of Scots, Irish, even a Frenchman and it wouldn't suprise me a bit if there was an 'authentic' Southern Blackfoot in there somewhere. Yeah, we're a pretty rowdy bunch at family reunions.
B(lended) S(haken and stirred)
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Post by Tricia on May 16, 2008 4:17:49 GMT -6
Very nice, Bassomatic (remember that?) Sliceanddice! I am always sayin' that it wouldn't surprise me none (I'm speakin' my best AR-kansas here) if I ended up bein kin to a buffalo soldier! You got Indian relatives in Arizona, you don't know what you got in you!
My BFF here in Little Rock's husband has a saying: "Everyone in Arkansas is an 8th Cherokee." And what's funny is it's quite true--that Cherokee grandmother ... again!
My great-grandfather's birth father is an interesting case en famille. For years and years I was told that he was "Spanish"--which later turned out to be--as I researched a bit further--some silly bigoted euphemism for Mexican! Whatever!
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