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Post by almont on Apr 28, 2008 11:22:10 GMT -6
The Indian men in this photo are clearly Ute or Jicarilla, most probably Ute. Based upon the clothing and beadwork, the photo was likely taken before 1880. (Of course, if someone in the photo died in 1876, then that also puts a terminal date on the photo.)
The Taylor album in SIRIS can be confusing at times because many of the photos were literally cut out of whatever they had been printed on and glued into an album. The SIRIS images are of portions of the album pages.
So, the hand written entries may or may not pertain the the photo closest to them and may or may not have been accurate to begin with.
thanks
Allen Chronister
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Post by grahamew on Apr 28, 2008 12:00:48 GMT -6
Chacon was, apparently, half-Ute and half Mexican.
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Post by grahamew on Apr 28, 2008 12:55:30 GMT -6
The other photo is the one in the Tiller book.  To be found here: www.liveauctioneers.com/item/3727357  "Two Fine and Rare CDVs of an 1868 Ute and Jicarillo Apache Indian Delegation in Santa Fe, one with the backmark of N(icholas) Brown and Son, Santa Fe, on verso, the other lacking identification, but taken in the same studio, presumably on the same day. One identified in period inked manuscript hand on verso Utes or Utah Indians & Agents the other Navajos Indians and Agents. These exceptional images record the efforts of Indian Agent and New Mexico Territorial Governor William F. W. Arny (1813-1881) to resolve disputes between the Utes and Jicarilla over lands in Northern New Mexico. According to information provided Delling by the Museum of New Mexico Photo Archives, the individuals identified as "Navajos Indians and Agents" include standing from left to right: Huero Munda (Jicarilla), William E. Arny (son of W.F. Arny), Captain Henry Moore Davis (Indian sub-agent), Vincenti (Jicarilla), W.F.M. Arny (Jicarilla and Ute Agent at Abiquiu), Sobatar Chief of Capote and Weeminucha Utes of NM), Curlwitche (Ute), Tomas Chacon (Spanish interpreter), Taputche (Ute-son of Sobatar), Pedro Gallegos (Ute). Seated: Panteleon (Jicarilla), Piquitigon (Ute), Martine (Capote Ute), Corinea (Capote Ute Chief), Timpeatche (Ute), Isidro (Ute), Boy?, Chief (Ute). The museum apparently does not curate a copy of the second image, though both Tomas Chacon and Curlwitche both appear in this image, along with other men, most dressed in traditional Ute garb. While the occasion for which these images were taken is unknown, in 1861 Lincoln appointed Arny agent of the Utes and Jicarilla Apaches, succeeding Kit Carson. Between 1867-1869 Arny served as the Agent for the Abiquiu Utes and the Pueblos along the Rio Grande (1988: 35-36). Presumably, these photographs were taken by Brown to commemorate a meeting or agreement that Arny negotiated between these long-standing enemies. A pair of exceptional and truly scarce cartes." Clearly - no Navajos! On top of that, I've checked the Tiller book and the nearest match for the identifications provided above is the SECOND photo. |
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Apr 30, 2008 12:10:48 GMT -6
The CBHMA 'Greasy Grass' of May 1996 has a short article on pages 34 & 35 showing 4 photographs purporting to be of Charley Reynolds. Number 2 is generally accepted as being Reynolds and Nos. 3 & 4 are also suspected of being him, whilst No.1 has definitely been ruled out. Photo No.2 also appears in the May 1997 'Greasy Grass' on page 18, in an article titled 'Under Fire' about all the scouts with the Seventh.
The shape of the nose in both Photo No.2 and that of the man in the photo posted by grahamew are identical and the facial resemblance virtually so. I would be surprised if the man in the photo on this thread is not Reynolds.
Hunk
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yuri
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Post by yuri on Jul 29, 2011 5:36:58 GMT -6
Lonsome Charlie Reynolds and "Dakota" group - are Utes
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