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Post by Tricia on Dec 7, 2007 20:17:42 GMT -6
Okay ... this board has become too Battle-oriented. So, quick ... someone--anyone--come up with something to bring the Tupperware Gossip Clique back from oblivion! Possible topics:
A) Cool and Untoward Rumours About Keogh. B) Cool and Untoward Rumours About GA Custer. C) Cool and Untoward Rumours About Libbie's Widowhood. D) Mostly True Rumours About Tom Custer. E) All Of The Above. F) None Of The Above.
Help me! I'm dying for some gossip ...
Cousin Emily
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Post by Scout on Dec 7, 2007 21:36:14 GMT -6
What's up with this term 'tupperware?' Have I missed something other than the 3:10 to Yuma?
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Post by Tricia on Dec 7, 2007 21:40:11 GMT -6
Scout ... sigh ....
It is one of the few positive contributions a certain Swiz national brought to this board. He coined the term "Tupperware Gossip" in regards to any discussion that didn't centre upon the Benteen/Reno Betrayal Theory ... or the Evil Rotten Indians Who Killed Innocent Civilians Without Provocation, especially Black Kettle.
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Post by strange on Dec 7, 2007 22:10:08 GMT -6
Well I don't have much on hand about Tom, but I came up with something that may be the indian equivelent of Tom............. How bout some Sitting Bull gossip!
I just read an interesting thing on Wikipedia that said Sitting Bull would do Tom Custer's little 'French Waiter' trick of cursing some one in a foreign language while keeping a warm and kind face! I hear Sitting Bull did worse than Tom and that he would hideously cuss out Buffalo Bill's audience members as they cheered him for his wise old Indian wisdom! (Once again playing on the dangerous gambit that no one knows Indian, which was probably a wiser bet than Tom's risk with hoping the indians didn't know english.)
The notorious "French Waiter" stories just absolutely kill me every time I hear them, I can't get enough! You guys should look for more dirty Sitting Bull gossip, that ought to be a hoot, i wonder if he'd get along with Tommy?
Stranger
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Post by alfuso on Dec 7, 2007 22:38:22 GMT -6
tricia
how ironic your plea is right under an eBay Tupperware ad!
alfuso
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Post by Diane Merkel on Dec 7, 2007 22:52:43 GMT -6
It is incredible how they can target those ads. There used to be one that appeared whenever I was on one of the threads that dealt with weapons or something similar. The ad was for a website selling bondage equipment!
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Post by harpskiddie on Dec 7, 2007 23:43:45 GMT -6
Speaking of bondage: What prominent military duo, whose names rhyme with Bluster and Rodeo, spent several evenings abroad in the sin-swept avenues of New York, and did a little cleaning up themselves? And is there any truth to the rumor that the slight coolness between them ever after after their shared adventures was a result of an attempt at minor-league blackmail by the junior reveler, who held something over the head of his commander while asking for preferred assignments?
Just asking. Don't have the skinny myself. Heard it over the fence from Mrs............, while hanging out the wash.
Gordie MC meeting consumer demand for dirt for over a century....................
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Post by elisabeth on Dec 8, 2007 4:44:49 GMT -6
Blackmail? Oh, do tell ...!
This isn't all that new, but ... there are rumours that Libbie's friend from Monroe, Anna Darrah, was "no better than she should be". Benteen implies that Cooke had his wicked way with her; Custer implies that more than just Cooke did, saying in a letter to Libbie that if Cooke was stupid enough to contemplate marrying the girl, he would "tell him something" about her that would change his mind pretty rapidly ...
Try this for a really, really untoward rumour about GAC. Remembering his alleged carrying-on with Eliza: note that the one campaign where he really went off the rails, the 1867 Hancock campaign, was the only one where he didn't have a female cook along. Ever after, he did. (Even on the LBH campaign, if we believe the Mary Adams story.) Now -- could it be that after the '67 debacle, Libbie came to accept that he required female "companionship" on all campaigns if he wasn't to go out of control and do something silly? Just a thought!
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Post by gocav76 on Dec 8, 2007 5:25:24 GMT -6
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Post by BrokenSword on Dec 8, 2007 9:55:33 GMT -6
Diane- "...The ad was for a website selling bondage equipment!..."
That really is incredible and often amusing. One of the threads here involved stories of scalping once. The adv at the top was offering hair replacement treatments. Another was about NAs fighting against White encroachment. The adv was a travel agency that offered 'happier' travel destinations.
uhh... By the way -- I don't suppose you still have the website address that you mentioned..do you?
M PS- It's a friend of mind that's curious about it.
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Post by elisabeth on Dec 8, 2007 11:23:43 GMT -6
gocav --
Me too! Surely someone must have written a book about her ... She rather missed a trick (if that's not an unfortunate phrase in the circumstances) by not writing her memoirs, as Belle Boyd did. Then again, there'd be plenty who'd make it worth her while to keep quiet. Who knows: maybe she did Tell All, and left the manuscript in some bank vault somewhere as insurance. We could live in hope that something of the kind might surface some day.
On the other hand -- that Cape Cod site does say that she vanished from view after the war. Doesn't sound like her to go away quietly and live a normal life somewhere; much more likely that she took on a new identity and had yet more adventures. (Custer's female orderly, anyone?) Perhaps we need to scrutinise all tales of courtesans, madames, adventuresses generally, and any supposedly-male bandits/robbers/scouts/gamblers/villains of faintly effeminate appearance, in case she's hiding somewhere. Society hostesses, too. She was a smart cookie, and could talk her way in anywhere. Could have done anything.
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Post by Tricia on Dec 8, 2007 16:05:05 GMT -6
Elisabeth ... oh, mistress of the delicious ...
I had always wondered about Anna Darrah--not only with Cooke but as I recall--and Tom. If I can recall correctly, wasn't she sharing quarters with TWC and Libbie whilst Tom was recovering from his bout with rhuematic fever? As I remember it, Armstrong was on campaign, leaving the children to play.
Also, a very interesting point about the Hancock expedition and even though I've written two very primitive scenes from it, and clearly reference that Eliza was not about, it never hit me until you mentioned it! I wonder what Steve will think about that little tidbit!
Hehehe ... --t. Chairmistress, NACCers, MST, The Nuthouse
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Post by elisabeth on Dec 9, 2007 9:54:17 GMT -6
You're right -- and I can't imagine anything would incapacitate young TWC too much for a spot of naughtiness.
Libbie's treatment of Anna in whichever book it is (Tenting?) is very interesting. While never quite going so far as to suggest actual sex -- since that would cast doubt on her own moral guardianship, if not her own morals -- she does make it very clear that "Diana" was flirting shamelessly with every male who crossed her path. And not flirting at a distance, either, from her story of the horse that had learned to snuggle up against its companion. Apart from giving her the alias, she's strikingly unprotective of the girl's reputation. One almost gets a sense of old scores being settled here, don't you think? I certainly wouldn't rule out TWC from the list of Anna's conquests ... nor even GAC, later on. Anna's still persona grata in early 1868, joining the Custers in their Leavenworth exile; but she does seem to leave rather suddenly. Rebecca Richmond's diary says that Col. Forsyth told her Miss Darrah had left "on Tuesday evening" -- a curious time to start a journey, surely? Especially when the "Tuesday" in question was St. Patrick's Day, so almost certainly the occasion for a hop or similar merriment at any large army post. Sounds as if she was given the bum's rush, to me! And I don't think she's ever invited to join them again, is she?
She also seems to have been a bit of a serial fiancee, from what's said in General Custer's Libbie. Haven't got it to hand, so can't give page reference or date; but in the same passage where Custer's threatening to blow her cover (see post 7 above) it transpires that she'd been engaged to Moylan, then gave him the push as soon as she thought she could get Cooke instead ... It would be so nice to know more about her, and how she ended up!
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Post by Tricia on Dec 9, 2007 21:11:28 GMT -6
GAC and Anna Darrah? When? How? Do tell more. His story gets evermore interesting. You are the end-all, be-all expert of reading between the lines! I look forward to your interpretation.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Dec 9, 2007 23:20:59 GMT -6
I'm so glad Trish has found some suitable gossip!
I'm browsing the Anna Darrah mentions as indexed in General Custer's Libbie. I wish Frost had been consistant with calling her one thing or another because I missed a lot of this the first time around. He speculates in one footnote that Libbie called her Diana in Tenting to avoid confusion with GAC's half-sister Lydia who, he says earlier in the book, preferred to be called "Ann." A bit of a stretch, I think.
I don't believe Frost mentions Anna after GAC's gossipy letter to Libbie of December 14, 1869, in which he wrote of Anna's time with Cooke and explains how it has been plotted for Mrs. McIntosh to tell Moylan about Anna's behavior. GAC seems very anti-Anna, saying that if Cooke "does become smitten I never want to see him again." Stranger things have happened -- even in my own family! -- but it doesn't sound as if GAC would be her future lover. Or is he jealous of Anna being with others and disguising it as disgust?
Why did Rebecca Richmond decline to be Libbie's bridesmaid?
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