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Post by quincannon on Apr 18, 2012 20:18:34 GMT -6
Yes it was. New York City is an indefensible city by the happenstance of terrain formation from the south and east. Keep in mind, and I think this is exactly correct, but someone will tell me if it is not, the Brit Fleet was the largest collection of Brit warships and transports up to the time of the Normandy invasion. They brought everyone into the fight including the king's stableboy. Some places you can't get to from here. Some areas cannot be defended. Therefore, to try and do so, is to fail.
The one thing that came out of the New York campaign of value is Washington's realization that he did not need to beat the Brits. He had to avoid being decisively defeated by them. Therefore the Fabian Strategy of a nip here and a bite in the ass there, and never accepting adverse risk, never positioning himself to be defeated in detail, never accepting one roll of the dice, became strategy and passion for these next five years.
Yes, she is well recovered. Her last visit for the right eye was this past Monday, and it has completely healed. Her vision is 20/40 uncorrected and 20/20 with glasses. Another bit of news. The left eye is stable, and the transplant cornea for that eye will be in 2013 at the earliest. Thanks for asking.
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Post by steve1956 on Apr 19, 2012 1:04:20 GMT -6
It was certainly the largest British invasion force up to that time....The New York campaign is probably Washington's lowest point as a Commander...BUT..It's also his first real attempt to run a (rather uncontrollable) army in the field.
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Post by wild on Apr 19, 2012 2:08:38 GMT -6
I think you will find the Romans and Wallace outside the time frame of the survey. You also change[dishonestly] the terms of reference from"greatest foe" to "greatest threat". As explained to you a treat is a passing condition lasting for a limited period.Victories in war such As Washington and Collins achieved are permanent as much as anything in this world is permanent. The Spanish Armada was a threat but achieved precisely nothing.It seems that you are more impressed by fluff and feathers rather than the tangible.Smoke and shadows rather than substance?Would our little afflication [god belss the mark]cloud [sorry]your judgement.I mean would cowardice inflate,exaggerate threats out of all proportion. If cowardice is an afflication then maybe not but if it is as in your case a life style then I think the board should take this into consideration when judging your dispatches. Collins was brilliant.He struck at the heart of British administration blinding it and rendering it ineffective.Reducing it to terrorising it's own "citizens". Collins beat the Brits at what they themselves were superb, intelligence. Collins's reputation does not need to be inflated his place in military history is undisputed. A man who short time ago forgot about a continental war of 7 years and now offers us India as a shining example of British nation building should be a little more cautious when pontificating on matters historical.
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Post by markland on Apr 19, 2012 7:08:01 GMT -6
Diane, if you're around, could you transfer the relevent posts regarding the Revolution to another thread dealing with the American Revolution? The perspectives of the members from England and the rest of the U.K. are interesting and add to the discussion. Perhaps I'll start a thread about the real Indian Wars fought east of the Mississippi to add depth to the notion that the Tran-Mississippi Indian Wars were but a continuation (and the culmination) to a war started at America's discovery.
Billy
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Post by wild on Apr 19, 2012 7:13:44 GMT -6
Well done that man. Decency and good manners cost nothing.
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Post by steve1956 on Apr 19, 2012 7:33:18 GMT -6
'Tis the problem when you get people interested in lots of history............
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Post by Dark Cloud on Apr 19, 2012 9:20:57 GMT -6
Nobody forgot a war of seven years. Since the search function is easy, show us where. Collins is of monumental unimportance outside Ireland, and where is he studied for his military brilliance? It's to be doubted a majority of British military concern was ever devoted to Ireland. Because of the delusional petty warlords there, they could always be played off against each other, just like the "non-white" colonies.
You got the museum wrong, tried to inflate the importance of their idiotic poll, were shot down by others not me, and now try to emulate Wiggs, who also tries to mimic the rhetoric of those who slammed him without dealing with the content.
A 'treat'?
But keep going. Maybe eventually you can bring everyone down to your level, calling people racist because you don't know what aborigine meant, calling the US cowards for not nuking the Soviets, trying to install Ireland as the backbone of education in Africa (wasn't it? somewhere) and now trying to claim Michael Collins as a military gem in Intelligence. So brilliant in Intel, he was ambushed and killed by his own fellow heroes, probably de Valera who was his main rival.
De Valera who called for formal clothing, coach and horses (literally) to go to the German Embassy and express condolences for Hitler's death/suicide as Berlin fell and there was no possibility of Germany lasting more than a week. Germany was not Ireland's ally, as the Soviets were ours.
Was it?
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Post by wild on Apr 19, 2012 11:39:51 GMT -6
Joe Stalin butchered the officer corps of your ally Poland.Just one horror in a litany of horrors committed by this bloody tyrant. The US did not have a representative at his funeral because he was an ally [which he certainly was not in 1953.Use your search engine for cold war]it had a representative there because it was diplomatic protocol.Same goes for for De Valera's visit to the German Embassy.
Ireland was a test case according to Niall Ferguson in his book Empire.In allowing their first colony to split the British sent a signal to the Empire at large.Time and again this was the pattern which would repeat itself.A minor outbreak of dissent,a sharp military response,followed by a collapse of British self -confidence,hand wringing,second thoughts,a messy concession,another concession leading to eventual hand over of power. Collins's signifigance is that he master minded the beginning of the unravelling of the greatest Empire the world had ever seen.
So brilliant in Intel, he was ambushed and killed by his own fellow heroes Do you have any idea how utterly stupid that is? Collins went into bandit country in an attempt to broker a truce with the anti treaty forces.He put his life in harm's way.
The rest of your post is of the usual latent racist tar baby variety which I can't really help you with.
You got the museum wrong, tried to inflate the importance of their idiotic poll Yup I inflated it to the status of a beauty contest.Read the posts.
But keep going. Maybe eventually you can bring everyone down to your level, calling people racist because you don't know what aborigine meant I called you a racist .Your posts always have an element of latent racism.
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Post by quincannon on Apr 19, 2012 11:51:29 GMT -6
Wild and DC: I am not in any way going to become involved in this INTERPLANETARY PISSING CONTEST.
I just want to ask each of you a simple question. Richard do you think anything you say will change DC's mind? DC do you think anything you say will change Richard's mind? I would suspect that the answer to both questions would be a resounding NO. Which begs the further question WHY CONTINUE?
I like Richard and I have a grudging respect for DC's wide range of knowledge, if I don't applaud his methodology. Anyway all this fallderall, diverts my attention from skewering the Potentate of Pretention yonder.
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Post by stevewilk on Apr 19, 2012 12:34:19 GMT -6
were any crown scout killed at the greasy grass Yes, three Crow scouts were killed. Bloody Knife, Little Brave, and Bobtail-Bull. Best wishes, Fred. Fred, these men were not Crow. The were Arikaras.
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Post by fred on Apr 19, 2012 12:51:45 GMT -6
Yes, three Crow scouts were killed. Bloody Knife, Little Brave, and Bobtail-Bull. Best wishes, Fred. Fred, these men were not Crow. The were Arikaras. Whoops! Big mistake! Wasn't thinking... thanks Steve. I shall correct the original post. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Apr 19, 2012 13:04:33 GMT -6
The question regarded "crown" scouts.
For the reasons Ireland wasn't allowed in the UN till way after the US and USSR were, and Wild refuses to address and/or admit it, he either has to think the UN is valueless or abandon his dubious requests for regard for Ireland's alleged educational supremacy under the UN. The crimes for which Stalin is guilty were only rumors till after the war and his death. A known thug, but no worse than the Czars, was the feeling. Nobody had any clue about the millions he'd killed. We had far more info on Hitler, but that wasn't irrefutably sure till later in the war and after the camps were found. Nobody in the West or the Soviets expected those camps as they were. Nobody.
By what standard is his recent ballyhooed poll that includes near non-entity Collins of value?
You cannot have read his postings as I and Markland and others have through the years and hold that opinion, qc. He's called you, by inference if not directly, a genocidal thug, as ALL US soldiers are periodically presented. Cowards for not nuking the Soviets. Genocidal murderers for his devotion to the fiction of all the Indians being killed.
And of course, the heroic Irish Civil War, a gang war of short duration and relatively few deaths that just ended with no real resolution, but both sides waiting to stab the other. It was "only" 18 years before WWII. How could they risk being against Hitler (they didn't have to be FOR England, but share a common enemy, and if you can pat the Nazis into shape as compatable with Ireland's past and values, that's more than I can do) with Britain occupying the northern six? Eh? The numbers of soldiers Ireland provided the Allies suggests the gang lords weren't on the side of their own people. That would be like our native Tories outnumbering the Revolutionary Patriots. In any case, 18 years after our Civil War (1883) we were sufficiently united to be chatting up empire, and that war was far worse than the sequential assassinations and gang ambushes that pass for Ireland's.
Despite all this, wild doesn't hesitate to lecture the world on morality and statecraft, with asides for shared tears at battlefields (British) where he is as ONE with the winning military, which he then denigrates when it wallops Irish nincompoops.
Caesar, Napoleon, Wellington, and Michael Collins. Which name does not belong?
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Post by fred on Apr 19, 2012 13:19:41 GMT -6
The question regarded "crown" scouts. Thanks for the reprieve! I just interpreted it as "Crow." Buffoonery leads to buffoonery and I fell in. Thanks, DC. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by wild on Apr 19, 2012 14:17:43 GMT -6
Ah the old fools defence "we did not know". Gareth Jones and Maria Lowinska two of many journalists who recorded Stalin's artifical famines in the Ukraine.10000 a day died of starvation.And if embassies did not report back then they were blind. And Katyn was a real beut.The Polish government in exile in London brought evidence of the outrage to the attention of the allies but were promptly told to shut up lest Uncle Joe be upset. It's more correct to say the West did not want to know about Joe's little ecentricities.Had to keep him sweet.They were terrified he would come to some arrangement with Hitler.Then what?It's the greater good you see. And you swallowed the old "we did not know"?
Caesar, Napoleon, Wellington, and Michael Collins. Which name does not belong Wellington, he was sorta English.But we could claim him under the country of birth rule. ;D
You have a paragraph there, a veritable miasma of disconected verbiage.And you an English majorette.The Boulder open university? Gangs,Pat the nazi,your pretty civil war,our horrible civil war.God I feel a head ache coming on.
qc. He's called you, by inference if not directly, a genocidal thugOh you bitch how could you? He's my best friend.
Despite all this, wild doesn't hesitate to lecture the world on morality and statecraft, with asides for shared tears at battlefields (British) where he is as ONE with the winning military, which he then denigrates when it wallops Irish nincompoops. What drivel.I suppose it will be wiggisms tomorrow and tar babies the day after then back to nuclear bombs. Give the board a break.
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Post by quincannon on Apr 19, 2012 16:14:15 GMT -6
Richard: Genocidal Thug ain't so bad. Now if you had called me a member of Company I, 7th Cavalry (Pretend), Army of Dakota, and suggested that I played dress up with that bunch of overweight misfits who play at being soldiers to the point they think it's the same, I would really be pissed off at you. As it is I pay no attention to that. I must run now. My New York Yankee uniform just got back from the cleaners and I am going out in the back yard and convince myself I am Lou Gherig. Tomorrow is another big day. My Genuine Pirates of the Carribean outfit finally arrived from the cut rate costume shop, and my intention is to glom onto some dubloons as there is a gallion in the Arkansas River ripe for plunder.
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