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Post by Frank on Apr 2, 2007 14:38:55 GMT -6
Were they both Yanktonais or Yanktons...if yes, which ones? If they were not, what then? Thanks a bunch Many Horns: Man Packs Eagle: ...I also would like to know is the right name for this guy Man Packs Eagle or Eagle Man..or are both correct? Or is that his name at all? ...and just to be sure I'm asking enough stupid questions, here is one more. Who is this? All I got is name Wolf Necklace and I aint even sure that is right: Thanks once more everyone!
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 3, 2007 3:15:36 GMT -6
Frank,
these Alexander Gardner portraits of 1872 are always great to watch. I love them.
I said this before, but there is not much material published about the Upper Missouri Sioux like the Yanktonais.
Many Horns (“He Ota”) was a Cut Head band chief of the Upper Yanktonais, who roamed in the late 1870ies the upper Missouri and even Milk River region in Montana. His band settled – at least for a time – at the Fort Peck/Poplar River Agency. In 1872 he was one of the Yanktonais leaders who travelled to Washington with Yanktonais head chiefs Two Bears and Big Head. Only a few Yanktonais fought in the Sioux War of 1876. But they skirmished a lot with tribes like the Gros Ventre (Atsina), the Upper Assiniboines and the Crows. In February 1878 for example Yanktonais belonging to Many Horns band stole twelve horses from a Gros Ventre camp and eleven from Little Chief´s Assiniboines. Many Horns refused to return the horses when scouts of Fort Belknap (the Gros Ventre/Assiniboine agency) came to his camp on Milk River. In 1879 he attended with his following a Sioux sun dance at Fort Walsh in Canada.
Man-Who-Packs-The-Eagle or Eagle Man (I think these are various translations of the same Nakota name!?) was also a Cut Head Yanktonais headman, perhaps of the same band as He Ota.
Maybe Ephriam or Kingsley have more on both men?
Many thanks for the Wolf Necklace photo. Where did you find that?
Wolf Necklace was a Upper Yanktonais chief at Standing Rock in the 1880ies. I have other photos of him by photographers Scott and Barry. But he is not mentioned in any book I have. I am sure Ladonna knows more on him?
Greetings to Finland Dietmar
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Post by buffaloman on Apr 3, 2007 4:35:01 GMT -6
Dietmar- I believe Frank's photo of Wolf Necklace came from the Plains Indian Seminar Two Yahoo group. tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PlainsIndianSeminartwo/It was sent by Ephriam Dickson on November 21, 2004 with this message- "Good morning, everyone. Have any of you come across any photographs from the Standing Rock Agency by a photographer named James H. Lucas (1850-1900)? I have only found one so far (see attached), but am certain there must be others! Thanks. Ephriam" Unfortunately no one came up with other Lucas photos. -Bob
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Post by Frank on Apr 3, 2007 5:35:49 GMT -6
DIETMAR!! No matter what your wife says, I will move to live with you! Thanks a million man (once again)!
Well if it came from there (PIS2), I know I didnt got it from there in the first place. I got that pic from a friend who has been collecting all sorts of photos for years. I got actually quite few of those kinds of friends so Im not quite sure which one of them it came from.. ;D but from somewhere there...
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 3, 2007 5:53:58 GMT -6
James H. Lucas... the name is totally new to me. Hope to see more photos of him in the future... Frank, tell your friends to share their photos here...
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Post by Frank on Apr 3, 2007 7:03:08 GMT -6
ermm... this may not come as an surprice but since this went so well I got few more guys twho need tribes for them selves ;D ...here we go: Black Coal: Stands First: White Horse: and last but not least... Yellow Bear: ...thaaaaank you...
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 3, 2007 7:30:51 GMT -6
Black Coal: Northern Arapaho head chief Stands First: Oglala Lakota White Horse: Northern Arapaho Yellow Bear: Oglala Lakota; Spleen band
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Post by charlie on Apr 3, 2007 7:33:16 GMT -6
Frank: you are a Tornado!!! At moment, i only can tell you this: BLACK COAL - Northern Arapaho - He succeeded in 1871 at Medicine Man that, together Black Bear, was one of the most important chiefs of Arapaho tribe. Black Coal was friendly with Sharp Nose and Friday. At quick!
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Post by Frank on Apr 3, 2007 7:39:40 GMT -6
Dietmar & Charlie... please tell me that both of you are working in some Museum of the Plains Indians... because if you arent, it is a huge waist of your knowledge... you both rock, thanks guys! ;D
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Post by Frank on Apr 3, 2007 9:46:28 GMT -6
Don't you think that Stands First: Oglala and Yellow Bear: Oglala both look awfully much the same when you compare the faces....? Wicked...
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Post by charlie on Apr 3, 2007 10:10:45 GMT -6
No Frank: the two are similar, but not the same person, i believe.
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Post by Frank on Apr 3, 2007 10:29:45 GMT -6
Yeah, when you look at the jaw you notice the difference but I just meant that there are similarity that is obvious...in the eyes, noce and rest of the face but the lower jaw.
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Post by ladonna on Apr 12, 2007 15:07:14 GMT -6
Wolf Necklace had 24 families under him. He frought in the Whitestone Massacre 1863. The agent changed his name to Dogskin so today his descendant on Standing Rock go by Dogskin.
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Post by Frank on Apr 12, 2007 20:36:56 GMT -6
Thanks Ladonna! You wouldnt happen to know the years of his birth and death?
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Post by ladonna on Apr 13, 2007 13:55:38 GMT -6
Iwill have to look it up and will post it for you.
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