Thank you Dietmar, for the answer. Somewhere in the web i wrote that Powell was talking about our Little Chief; unfortunately, i haven't books of this writer. I think that he was a very important chief, looking at his photos....What a pity don't have more infos on him!!! At regard chief FRIDAY (Arapaho) do you know his real indian's name? Thanks a lot.
Friday had several names during his lifetime. As a boy he was called Black Spot (Warshinun) or Black Coal Ashes. After a fight with the Pawnees he took one of his father´s names, White Crow. After another fight, this time with the Shoshones, he took a second name, Thunder. Finally, after being part of a war party that destroyed a Ute camp of seven lodges near Bear River, he got the name “The Man Who Sits in the Corner and Keeps his Mouth Shut” (also translated shortly as Sits Brooding, "teénokúhú"). “He says that he and a Ute warrior became engaged at close quarters; the Ute levelled his gun at Friday´s breas, but the cap snapped and in a second Friday had shot hom through the body and snatched the loaded gun out of his dying hand.” (John Gregory Bourke)
The man above is LITTLE CHIEF (Southern Cheyenne) already photographed in the 1851 delegation together White Antelope and Alights on a Cloud. I have read on this book: "The fighting Cheyenne" (Grinnell) that Father DeSmet stated that this Little Chief died in 1858. Have anyone some books of Father DeSmet for to add informations on this mysterious chief? Frank: for FRIDAY go here (in Google): "American Indians:Friday-Arapaho" for MAD WOLF go here (in Google): "Cheyenne participants in the battle of Little Big Horn". In this site is wrote that is was a Northern Cheyenne.
for MAD WOLF go here (in Google): "Cheyenne participants in the battle of Little Big Horn". In this site is wrote that is was a Northern Cheyenne.
MAD WOLF , MAD hearted WOLF , rabid wolf , are other names of Lame White Man , a southern cheyenne council chief that moved north i the 70ies and died at the little big horn fight , was very respected but not a chief for the northern cheyennes
Shatonska: my message is referred to chief MAD WOLF that was photographed together MAN ON A CLOUD by John Choate in 1880.
i followed your post , look in Cheyenne participants in the battle of Little Big Horn".and you'll see that mad wolf and lame white man are the same man
Lame White Man
Warrior Chief of the Southern Cheyenne, age ca 38, one of 7 Cheyenne killed in fighting with Custer's troops (2, 25); he was in the sweat lodge of Tall Sioux when Reno attacked, and first helped his wife Twin Woman, his son Red Hat and his daughter Crane Woman escape the village (26); did not wear his warbonnet in this battle (13); but was wearing a blue coat he found tied behind the cantle of a captured saddle when he was shot and scalped by a Sioux who mistook him for an army scout in hand to hand fighting on the gunsmoke-shrouded battlefield (28, 3, 26); his Sioux name was Bearded Man and he is also identified as Mad Hearted Wolf (see Mad Wolf) (26)
Mad Wolf (Hahk o ni or Miv a wo nih)
His name actually means "wolf that has no sense"; Northern Cheyenne; born 1825, died 1905; one of the bravest and wisest men in the tribe; he rode with White Shield to meet Custer's troops (22)
here the mistake is that the mad wolf that "rode with White Shield to meet Custer's troops" was Lame white Man
Northern Cheyenne; born 1825, died 1905 is another man , the one of the photo but not the one who rode with White Shield to meet Custer's troops
They are identified as Man on a Cloud and (on the right) Mad Wolf, Southern Cheyenne in the Choate collection on the SIRIS site:
The collection holds images taken at Carlisle Indian School - of pupils, parents and visiting delegations, dating from 1879 onwards. Mad Wolf, a Dog Soldier leader, was known to harangue ex-pupils of the school when they returned to the reservation, so I guess he wasn't impressed. I'm not sure that the photo was taken at Carlisle, but it was taken during a Southern Cheyenne and Arapaho delegation to Washington in 1880 and they did visit Carlisle either on the way there or on the way back. There's a delegation photo here:
i was only pointing to the fact that Lame White Man was also called Mad Wolf and that the mad wolf that "rode with White Shield to meet Custer's troops" was Lame white Man
i was following only the post that say :for MAD WOLF go here (in Google): "Cheyenne participants in the battle of Little Big Horn". but the mad wolf that "rode with White Shield to meet Custer's troops" was Lame white Man not the man in your photos , only that Lame white Man died at the lbh , there is a good photo of him
Last Edit: Apr 11, 2007 15:40:26 GMT -5 by shatonska