Sand Creek Massacre National Historic Site

[gary]

I know Monsieur Nut's views. I wonder how he would explain those quotes.

[clw]

gary said:

..... I wonder how he would explain those quotes.

"Lies and forgeries! Lies and forgeries!"

He reminds me of Henny Penny.

[gocav76]

clw, I checked the rantings of custerwest -thus far in 10 posts today, he has called 2 people LIARS---berated 2 posters and belittled another. Must be a slow day for CSS!

[pohanka]

The problem with Mr. Cornut's perspective is that he attempts to justify what occurred at Sand Creek by making reference to Indian atrocities. As if the philosophy "they" did it to "us" so its o.k. to do it to "them" makes everything O.K.

Oh yeah, if you don't buy completely into this package you are, God forbid, a liberal!!!
Mankind has been excusing murder, mayhem and death (all in the name of honorable war) for centuries. By focusing on a perspective such as this we loose sight of a very critical point.

Innocent women, children, and old folk were specifically targeted by the militia. That is the horror of Sand Creek. For anyone who has the stomach to do so read about it. Human beings who possessed no ability to kill were freely slaughtered. What did they have to do with the few warriors who may have been responsible for committing crimes?

To make any attempt to justify Sand Creek is to justify removing an Indian woman's privates and using it for a hat band, to use Indian toddlers for target practice, and to command the militia to destroy women and children because, "Nits make Lice." Need I continue?

[bubbabod]

Billy, I haven't read Michno's book either, but we've emailed just before his book was coming out. He makes Wynkoop out to be the bad guy in the affair. He sent me via email examples of Wynkoop's misconduct. I never bought any of it. Greg writes many articles in Wild West Magazine, including one about Sand Creek.

[crzhrs]

I'm a little disappointed in Michno.

A while back when CSS was stilling posting hate/attack messages on the "other" site, I contacted Michno about his being on CSS's webpage and some of the ugliness associated with it. He told me he didn't want to become involved in any feuds and would contact CSS and have his name and any mention of his work removed from that site.

I don't think that has taken place (I haven't looked at CSS's site for a while, however)

[Beth]

I was doing some googling this evening to find information about family ties in the Civil War. I always knew that my great great grandfather on my dad's side of the family was with a Colorado unit so I went looking for more information. I was stunned to find out that it was the Colorado Cavalry 3rd Reg. His name is on this Roster

www.kclonewolf.com/History/SandCreek/sc-documents/sc-colorado-third-regiment.html

[tubman13]

Beth even if his name is in bold lettering it does not mean he did evil deeds. He could have testified about evil deeds. Chivington was an evil individual, Evans was a political opportunist and crook, the local papers were fear mongering. The populous was scared. NA's had been recently run off traditional lands and were raiding stages, stealing provisions heading for Denver area, and burning out farms/ranches. We hear about Cheyenne and Arapaho, but rarely about the Sioux who were also involved. I am sure you are aware that the primary chief at Sand Creek was also the primary chief at Washita, where he was killed. Chuck and DC may have access via local libraries to info about your ancestor if it is out there.

Regards,
Tom

[Beth]

I realize that in my head but part of me goes out in sympathy to what he must have witnessed, and if he was part of the deeds, had to live with. I did more reseach because his name is spelled wrong on that list and I would rather not point out who he is on this public forum as it is an uncommon name therefore fairly searchable, unlike my married name which nearly as common as Smith. I am certain it is the correct person though. It appears that he also spent time with the 2nd Colorado then was move or moved to the 3rd.

I know nothing about this man unfortunately he died before when my grandfather was a toddler I would love more information though if anyone has any to share.

[tubman13]

One would need that name so they could share, you will need to pick your poison here. Give Chuck or DC a pm I am sure they would help in CO, if they could. I had some very distant relatives named Younger, cousins of my great grandmother, rather skilled bank robbers, so I am told.

Regards,
Tom

[Beth]

Feb 3, 2015 17:21:46 GMT -5 tubman13 said:

One would need that name so they could share, you will need to pick your poison here. Give Chuck or DC a pm I am sure they would help in CO, if they could. I had some very distant relatives named Younger, cousins of my great grandmother, rather skilled bank robbers, so I am told.

Regards,
Tom

I know of that family, and their friends.  One time when I had to entertain about half dozen little cousins, my youngest brother and sister so I crammed them into my Gremlin took them to a small local history museum near the Little Brown Church in Iowa.  The museum had a hotel register that The Youngers and the James stayed at a on their way up towards Northfield and signed register with their real names.  The cousins and brother thought it was about the coolest thing they had seen.  Of course none of them were over the age of 9.

I will gladly PM Chuck or DC once I know they are willing to take up the quest.

Beth

[dave]

Tom
I would like to counter with my family's famous relatives. My Great Grandfather, Charles Dalton Elmore was solid contributor with Dalton Gang members genes. Not many families can claim to have a "hung horse thief/criminal" in their trees.
Regards
Dave

[chris]

Feb 3, 2015 18:57:33 GMT -5 dave said:

Tom
I would like to counter with my family's famous relatives. My Great Grandfather, Charles Dalton Elmore was solid contributor with Dalton Gang members genes. Not many families can claim to have a "hung horse thief/criminal" in their trees.
Regards
Dave

Dave, I know you're replying to Tom, apologies for butting in.

My father told me (years ago) a certain great uncle was hanged.  When I asked why, he replied - a dispute over the ownership of some horses. 
Best,
c.

[Beth]

I haven't found any horse thieves yet but I do have a great grand uncle that killed his secratary because he loved her and wanted to marry her even though they both were married to others. He then went through town shooting at random and finally ended his reign of terror by commiting suicide in his basement. It was the talk of the town in the 30's.

[tubman13]

Well that cinches it, if Diane M. sees this we may all be banned. The only thing worse would be if Chuck were to come out of the closet. Kidding!

Regards,
Tom