Schreyvogel, Remington and "Custer's Demand"

[Diane Merkel]

HistoryNut1876 would like to share this article with everyone. Enjoy!

www.lbha.org/Schreyvogel-Remington.pdf

[elisabeth]

Great fun! Thanks!

[Tricia]

This looks great! From the briefest of brief glances, I'm sensing a bit of a Whistler vs. Ruskin kind of battle royale ... or in the style of one.

[harpskiddie]

What a great read, and looksee!!! I've always loved Schreyvogel's work, especially things like Lt. Grummond's Even Chance. He and Remington were quite different in their manner of depicting people and events . What an ego Remington must have had.

My favorite, just to go off topic a bit, is a toss-up between Charlie Russell and Frank McCarthy, with maybe a slight lean towards McCarthy. Both of these artists gave a great sense of movement to their work, as did Schreyvogel. I always considered Remington more of a draftsman. His work seemed more static to me. The eye of the beholder.....

Now I'm gonna have to Google Schreyvogel - just when I thought I was saving money!

Gordie

[Scout]

Sorry I didn't open the file...it's a pdf...we don't get along. Anyway, Remington had a strong dislike of Schreyvogel's work. Was highly critical of his uniforms, guns, etc. in his paintings. Remington said they were inaccurate. I've never study them that close.

[historynut1876]

scout2 said:

Sorry I didn't open the file...it's a pdf...we don't get along. Anyway, Remington had a strong dislike of Schreyvogel's work. Was highly critical of his uniforms, guns, etc. in his paintings. Remington said they were inaccurate. I've never study them that close.

Scout, if you like, send me your email and I will send you a Microsoft Word Document.

To those who enjoyed reading the article, thank you.

HN1876

[jc]

harpskiddie said:

.... My favorite, just to go off topic a bit, is a toss-up between Charlie Russell and Frank McCarthy, with maybe a slight lean towards McCarthy.

Gordie

Frank McCarthy is one of my favorite artists also. It's a shame that he has passed on however he left behind an amazing amount of his excellent work for our enjoyment. Do you have any of McCarthy's artwork? I have a good number of them, the first I purchased in 1980, titled, Forbidden Land. It's one I especially like, and also,The Last Stand, that's just outstanding. The Greenwich Workshop website has a fantastic portfolio of McCarthy's work throughout the years that one can view. Excellent images and a pleasure to be able to view much of his work in one place. Also, if you're ever in Texas, the CAA (Cowboy Artists of America) Museum in Kerrville has a few of McCarthy's original oils in its collection. A pleasurable experience to view such amazing art in person.

I also collect Kenneth Riley's art. I absolutely love his style and the pastels he used.

I mostly collect however the art of Howard Terpning. Are you familiar with his work? It's been said that Terpning is considered as the Russell or Remington of the last century. I've collected him since 1979 and have purchased almost every piece of his art issued ever since. Born in 1924, it's amazing that Terpning is still alive and is painting as much, even more than ever. His artwork is so realistic, his attention to detail astute and his outstanding talent I feel is unequaled among his peers of today.

Art is a genuine pleasure to experience and a true joy to behold, isn't it? Well, most art anyway. I'm not very fond of modern art, however Jackson Pollock and Channing Peake were exceptional artists of that style.

jc

PS. I really like Custer's Demand. IMO, it's one of the best works of art painted during that time period.

[harpskiddie]

jc:

I'm not familiar with Terpning's work. I may have seen it and not noted the name; I'm not certain. I do like Schreyvogel - and Custer's demand is very dramatic, however "authentic" or not it might be.

I used to have an oversized paperback version of The Western Paintings Of Frank C. McCarthy, but I butchered it up by writing a daily journal in the blank spaces in 1974, and then cut out most of the prints to make a wall display for my son a few years later. I still have the carcass around.

The only McCarthy work I now own is a print of his Custer's Last Stand [what else]. Of course, I have Paxson's version also. I actually have more prints of British military events than anything else: The Thin Red Line [Balaclava]; The Charge Of The Heavy Brigade [also Balaclava] and the Charge Of The Scots Greys [Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, Waterloo]. And a solo of a member of the 11th Hussars jumping a stone fence [untitled AP].

The British ones I received at the various Regimental Officers' Messes. Except for McCarthy, I tend to like the older works of military scenes, probably because they're in oils. Most modern works in acrylic don't appeal to me, even though the modern ones tend to be more historically correct.

I'm not by any means a collector - I've never had the means to be, at least never since the time I became interested. In my younger days, I spent all [well much of] my money on weed and guitars and..............

In any event, I'll look up Terpning. Thanks for the tip.

Enjoy. Gordie

[harpskiddie]

jc:

I've just finished marvelling at Terpning's work. Wow!! Too bad it's so relatively expensive - i.e. related to me! Schreyvogel, on the other hand, is not too steep. I think I might save up for one of Howard's prints.

Thank you so very much for mentioning him above. I had never seen his work before, and was absolutely blown away.

Gordie

[jc]

harpskiddie said:

jc:

I've just finished marvelling at Terpning's work. Wow!! .... I think I might save up for one of Howard's prints.

Thank you so very much for mentioning him above. I had never seen his work before, and was absolutely blown away.

Gordie

Gordie,

I am so pleased that you took the time to view Terpning's work. He is an amazing talent, that's certainly true enough. Purchasing any of his artwork would truly be a fantastic investment, guaranteed to increase your financial status. When I first started buying his art, in 1979, one could purchase a limited edition, signed print for less than $200.00. The value of each of these same prints have now increased to up to around $10,000, and Terpning is still alive. Who know how much the value will increase after he passes on.

Have you ever had an estimate made on the value of your older prints? Most of the time an older print, although not as historically accurate as you mentioned, will still be worth more than a recent issue simply due to the law of averages. For various reasons older prints are fairly difficult to find. Owners either don't want to part with them or else the prints weren't taken care of properly which has devalued them to various degrees, etc., etc.. Newer prints are issued in larger editions and that usually reduces their value in the secondary market, depending of course on the popularity of the artist. But then undoubtedly you're already quite aware of all this.

Anyway, I'm glad that you enjoyed Terpning's work.

jc

PS. I sincerely apologize for going off the subject of this thread.

[harpskiddie]

jc:

No need to apologize. If you note the other posts, going off topic is a matter of natural progression. Who cares, as long as it is somewhat relevant to the board? As to my older prints - I'll never part with them, because of the various circumstances in which they were received. If they have appreciated in value, my son can deal with that when the time comes. In the meanwhile, they'll jusr sit around waiting to be looked at from time to time. My guiitars are probably worth more than the whole bunch, anyway.

Check out the Northern Plains Indians board - Northern Cheyenne Chiefs at the LBH for another super artist I'd never heard of before .

Gordie

[Realbird]

I am continuously thankful and amazed about the tremendous abilities of this forum to supply such wonderful information regarding this battle. The participants of this forum are extraordinary. ;D

[mwkeogh]

I personally favor the Indian artwork of Frank McCarthy. He occasionally knocks out a good Cavalry painting as well, my favorite being 'Retreat to Higher Ground'. You can see it at this link: (as well as all his entire portfolio of paintings) www.greenwichworkshop.com/thumbnails/default.asp?page=11&a=43&detailtype=artist

[wildeye]

As far as the topic goes, I seem to recall a
quote by Remington, in regards to Schreyvogel,
I believe Remington was quoted as referring to
Schreyvogel's work as "Half baked!"

As far as I know, S studied the west from his
studio in NY or Jersey, while Remington was actually
there, at least during the latter part of the Apache wars
to witness some of it, as well as talk to participants.

As well as being a western artist myself,
I really love Russell's work, his colors, action
and storytelling ability, as far as modern western
artists....I enjoy Ken Anderson's work, Dave Powell
is a good friend and fine artist. There's also Ken Riley
and Terpenning, as well as John Buxton and Robert Griffing.

[Melani]

Well, I guess it just shows that people have been enthusiastically debating details long before we started!