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Post by markland on Mar 3, 2008 16:42:51 GMT -6
Fred, Enjoyed reading your post. All one has to do is look at how the other board was set up to realize that it was never taken too seriously by the BOD. Why would anyone retain the same set-up,same appearance,and the same topics? Why not start with a new look? It was all about getback and their world was divided into two camps-pro Diane or anti Diane. If I were a member of LBHA I would be quite upset, by the way members who had been regular posters before, are now viewed with contempt,derided,mocked,and had their post edited or removed. You pay dues to be treated like that. Then the moderator has developed the "Little Hitler " complex, and Cornut is the know-it-all! On another site someone told Cornut that perhaps he needed to read more history,and here is his response. " "if you take time"? Are you kidding me. I know more about the history of the West than the whole New Jersey !" Thus part of the problem, some already know everything-the rest of us are mere pikers! There are too many events I can spend my time reading about, than to waste time and effort on one battle. I have learned so much from this forum,and its been the people that post here that made it interesting. Oh yes -Fred you wrote;"Why now is "conz" over there?" Well get ready-cause Cornut has already started questioning ConZ on several matters! It will be just a short time before Cornut calls him a liar too! Fred, thanks for the effort but... Billy
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Post by gocav76 on Mar 3, 2008 17:05:28 GMT -6
Markland, Hate to see you go. You have more honor and integrity than any person I know on this forum. You deserved a far better fate, it was an outrage the way the moderator/Keogh treated you on the LBHA forum.
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Post by fred on Mar 3, 2008 17:37:32 GMT -6
Am I on the right forum?
Billy, why are you leaving here? This is getting ridiculous. Why don't you take a deep breath, relax, and re-think this thing? I did!
All this does is hurt Diane's credibility and it costs a bunch of us someone we could rely on for good information. Someone with a wit, intelligence, and graciousness. How do we replace that? All this means is the other guy wins because now this forum has lost one of its best drum-beaters. C'mon, Billy!
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Montana Bab on Mar 3, 2008 22:06:14 GMT -6
Fred, and all,
I'm a nobody here, but thank goodness, no one has told me to "get lost" ....yet.
I've said this before about these boards. There are some of the most knowledgeable, intellectual posters on THIS WEBSITE, NOT the other one. It took a long time to build those friendships you mentioned, Fred, and a long time to build this website, thanks to Diane and her ability to think far ahead. It will only fail if the people here lose perspective of why we are here.
I am here because I crave knowledge of the subject of LBH. I WANT to hear from others, read their ideas and theories THIS WEBSITE STANDS ON ITS OWN! All one has to do is dig in. No one person can bring it down!
I'm not a young person, but I learned a long time ago, if you ignore an obnoxious person, sooner or later they go away. I've decided not to feed THAT FELLOW'S ego, by letting him know that I know he exists!
For what it's worth, I still believe that THIS website is the one people will go to for knowledge. THIS IS THE REAL DEAL! But it is embarassing to have THAT FELLOW'S name mentioned in every other post. (And I am as guilty as sin!) Maybe that sounds too simplistic. But it has been a hoot for one ego-maniac!
Just my thoughts....
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Post by Montana Bab on Mar 3, 2008 22:12:26 GMT -6
Am I on the right forum? Billy, why are you leaving here? This is getting ridiculous. Why don't you take a deep breath, relax, and re-think this thing? I did! Best wishes, Fred. Billy! Take a cold shower and cuss like a mule-skinner !!! Then come back! We need your expertise ! Besides, Tarheels don't give up! Dad blame it!
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Post by ignimbrite on Mar 3, 2008 22:35:10 GMT -6
Fred wrote In the last 14 months, six people in my family have died and I have lost two good friends, as well.
I'm sorry for your losses. No matter how expected or unexpected, the death of family and friends leaves holes in our lives.
Those holes are what I suspect many members here are feeling. This was a special place in the fabric of many people's lives. That's changed. It can still be special, but never the way it was. People have to decide for themselves what is worthwhile in their lives. My plea as a newcomer is for careful consideration on the part of the "old-timers"
No one has to respond to every post or thread. If it devolves into acrimony or silliness, start a new thread or take a break from the boards. As Scout mentioned somewhere he took a break when his life got busy. This can be a really hopping place sometimes, a little perspective can help. Just don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
All of the posts on this thread have been thoughtful. I agree with what everyone has said, especially Melani's comments about how to respond to provocation with adult forbearance. That is what makes this board a special place, that people think about cyber-relationships and cyber-maturity (thanks conz). Fred and others care enough about the members here to share their concerns and try to reach a level of understanding.
Anyway, I'll climb down off my soapbox.
Ruth
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Post by Melani on Mar 3, 2008 23:28:37 GMT -6
Maybe at this point we might want to consider deleting ALL the nasty, defamatory posts from ALL the boards and websites. I have just made the same suggestion over at "the other place" in complete disgust over the name-calling festival that was taking place there. It seems that every time things start to calm down and return to what I laughingly think of as normal, somebody has to go and throw a great big rock into the pond again. At the very least, we ought to be able to live and let live, but there seem to be some folks around both here and there who are dedicated to causing trouble.
So why don't we just get rid of every insult that has been leveled at everybody, and make some kind of attempt to forget the whole thing and start over? We all have the ability to delete or modify our own posts--maybe we should all use it.
And maybe after he cools off a while, Billy will come back, as fred did. It is absolutely destructive when the best people give up and leave because of this sort of garbage.
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Post by fred on Mar 4, 2008 5:57:42 GMT -6
Ruth, Kathleen, and Melani--
And everyone else, as well--
What I see now are voices of reason, of maturity, and of intelligence. That is what I am trying to get on this thread. I don't know why Billy left, but his loss is even greater than Harpskiddie's. Gordon Harper left because he felt the board had run out of ideas and we were beginning to re-hash the same old stuff. And I believe Gordon had things he wanted to do, research he wanted to work on; the boards were becoming all-consuming. I would like to say I left for the same reason, but if I am honest with myself, I think there were ulterior motives in my mind, as well. Anyway, after a couple of days, I realized I wasn't ready to chuck it all in. Gordie was; and I greatly respect him for that. I am not above putting my tail between my legs and coming back to tell people I really would still rather play. There is a certain element of humility in that, something I learned a long time ago in the army. Don't ever be afraid to admit your mistakes, especially to yourself.
I don't know why Billy left, but to me, that is not a tolerable situation. (Notice I did not say "an INtolerable" situation!) I am hoping to find out why and I am hoping I can lure him back. If I cannot, then Billy has to be chalked up as a learning experience for us. We chased Billy; we didn't chase Gordie, but we did chase Billy. Some how, some way, we are part of the blame (I am also using "we" in a generic sense.) Gordie is not a loss, because Gordie is lurking out there, watching, reading, hoping for something great to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if I got an e-mail from him today because he's read this. Gordie is just a busy, busy friend. Billy is a loss, a casualty, and that is what disturbs me the most. (There is also more to this than meets the eye, so beware.)
You are all voices of reason, as I said. And Melani may have a very valid point. I have already earmarked 10 of my own posts that I can delete. I haven't done it yet and if I do, I am saving them, just in case. Every time I think Melani's idea may help, I read something like "gocav"'s pick-up regarding Tricia, and it gives me pause. You see, I am still of the belief that the David Cornut issue is nothing but a smoke-screen. There are far bigger issues here than an asinine, childish-- though hateful-- Website in Europe.
I even thought long and hard about putting this thread up here, figuring it, like so many others, gets us away from what we all really enjoy discussing. This is more like therapy and I'm not big on therapy. But I think it may have helped and I hope it continues to do so.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by alfuso on Mar 4, 2008 10:39:56 GMT -6
No matter what any of us do, nor how mature we try to be, every time anyone leaves this forum and/or the LBHA, David takes it as a "victory" over the Custer Haters and posts it as a Major News flash on his website. And posts it to make it look as though being "outed" on His Custer Hater site is the reason.
Try to reason with him and you get childish petulance.
I may renew in the LBHA out of spite. (As usual, I just didn't get around to renewing - again. I still gotta get around to renewing in MENSA)
alfuso
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Post by fred on Mar 4, 2008 11:46:25 GMT -6
... every time anyone leaves this forum and/or the LBHA, David takes it as a "victory" over the Custer Haters and posts it as a Major News flash on his website. And posts it to make it look as though being "outed" on His Custer Hater site is the reason. That is a significant part of the problem, but if we don't eat the tainted candy, none of us will get sick. I don't know of anyone new of any stature or significance on the other site: other than Bill Rini. The main posters who contribute anything at all worthwhile are also well-known over here. Some of them-- maybe like conz-- seem above the fray. For others it gets too personal. Eventually, unless conz "toes the line," conz will eventually be "towing the line." And he's too smart for that. When I was a kid, I loved-- loved!-- Donald Duck and his three nephews, Huey, Louie, and Dewey. In the weekly comic books, they ran these little 3- or 4-frame vignettes. In one of them, one of the nephews was bawling because one of his brothers was making faces at him. So Donald put the offender in his room and closed the door. Suddenly, the bawling began again and Donald went to investigate. The nephew doing the crying was still upset because he could see his brother still making faces at him through the keyhole. I have never forgotten that little lesson. And it certainly applies here. I discovered today that this mess has even been noticed by people on the History Channel boards. I may also add that despite its size and appeal, the level of talent over there pales in comparison to what we have here. Just read some of that juvenalia over there. That makes this all the more troublesome and wearisome. It also makes it much, much more worrisome. We are running the risk of losing this site. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by gocav76 on Mar 4, 2008 12:03:28 GMT -6
Great post Fred. Over the past 24 hours I have had mixed emotions about the current issue. I greatly admire Arizona Ranger and in a message to me last night he advised that we should be more concerned how all this effects new people interested in learning. I awoke to see the new headlines "Massive Defeat of Custer Haters" and I didn't get mad. As a matter of fact I found humor in the headline! In a way I feel sorry for the guy! Thus I will follow Melani's advice and in the next few days remove any post with his name. This whole issue should not be about me,Markland, Fred,Tricia and others--it must be about the new people who shall join this site in the future. And Fred, Thanks for the messages this morning-hope to see you at the battlefield soon. Larry
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Post by fred on Mar 4, 2008 12:14:03 GMT -6
Larry--
It is my pleasure; you know how I feel about you. It is guys like you and BC who make this site so great. Sometimes the "question" is much more important than the "answer."
And AZ Ranger, as usual, provides extremely good input.
And remember, everyone, if you don't look through the keyhole, you won't see the ugly face!
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by crzhrs on Mar 4, 2008 12:16:45 GMT -6
I doubt this forum will disappear--it may ebb and flow--but it will hold it's own against any others.
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Post by fred on Mar 4, 2008 15:18:02 GMT -6
Only without the bickering, Horse. Look at how it ends threads. Outright warfare will eventually kill it, because like any other thing comprised of living things, without rejuvenation it will simply wither.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by crzhrs on Mar 4, 2008 16:08:51 GMT -6
Seems like things have quieted down here. I don't see much personal stuff going on. Bickering is one thing, name-calling and insults something else.
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