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Post by Montana Bab on Feb 27, 2007 0:04:56 GMT -6
Can any of you "Indian Knowledgeable" gentlemen tell me what the name PTE SAN WASTE WIN stands for? It is a testimony that I found on a Danish website awhile back, and I had to go to a language website to translate it. It's not the easiest thing to do, but I got the major gist of the narrative. It stated that this person was a "cousin of Bull Sat" (could that be Sitting Bull?). The narrative basically covers the initial attack by Reno and the fear of the women and children. It said the Oglala and Minneconjou were the first to meet Reno, then a "quantity" of Cheyenne followed. It spoke of the fierceness of the Sioux warriors and how "the blood of the warriors was boiling and their hearts were bad and fierce that day". Reason I ask is because I'm hoping that there is a truer version in English, if I can find out who the individual is. Thank you for your consideration.
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Post by buffaloman on Feb 27, 2007 0:46:32 GMT -6
Good White (Grey) Buffalo (Cow) Woman.
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Post by elisabeth on Feb 27, 2007 1:34:27 GMT -6
Wouldn't this be Pretty White Buffalo?
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Post by buffaloman on Feb 27, 2007 1:56:31 GMT -6
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Post by elisabeth on Feb 27, 2007 2:39:21 GMT -6
Her testimony (as Mrs. Spotted Horn Bull) is in Graham, The Custer Myth, p. 81-87.
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Post by Montana Bab on Feb 27, 2007 20:49:30 GMT -6
Wow, You are all so great ! I'm gonna have to keep on my toes to keep up with this crowd ! (Yeah, right !) Thanks so much for answering my question. I love this website ! I only recently ran across it when I earnestly devoted my time to researching the LBH. And it was my lucky day. I have already learned so much, enjoyed the wonderful pictures. Am working on a couple of volumns of the LBH (a white version, and an Indian version) only for my own interest and enjoyment. (Something to leave my Grandson.) Thanks everybody ! Bab
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Post by tatanka on Jul 9, 2008 13:10:33 GMT -6
The Hunkpapa were the first to meet Reno as their camp circle was the one being attacked. The warchief Gall lost one of his wives and two children in the initial attack.
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Post by bc on Jul 9, 2008 14:35:00 GMT -6
How were they killed if you know? By an ititial volley from a distance or what?
We tend to knock Reno's attack but to kill 3 people probably in close proximity to each other and maybe running (probably near their tipi) is indicative of some effective firing.
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Post by shan on Jul 9, 2008 16:02:16 GMT -6
bc
They were almost certainly killed by a few of the Ree scouts who had ridden ahead of Reno to try and secure some horses. I can't remember off hand where I read it, { maybe one of the Hardorff books, Lakota Recollections of the Custer Fight comes to mind, } but one of the Rees who was involved talks of seeing a bunch of woman and children running through some woods on the other side of the river and of firing at them.
shan
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Post by bc on Jul 9, 2008 18:12:22 GMT -6
bc They were almost certainly killed by a few of the Ree scouts who had ridden ahead of Reno to try and secure some horses. I can't remember off hand where I read it, { maybe one of the Hardorff books, Lakota Recollections of the Custer Fight comes to mind, } but one of the Rees who was involved talks of seeing a bunch of woman and children running through some woods on the other side of the river and of firing at them. shan Indians killing defenseless Indian women and children? Those Rees were such naughty, naughty boys. I thought those deeds were limited to palefaces such as Chivington & Custer.
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Post by biggordie on Jul 10, 2008 0:27:10 GMT -6
The Ree scouts freely admitted shooting at the women and children, but denied killing any of them. There are several sources for this event, including the Arikara Narrative. This occurred, most probably, on the eastern flat below the bluffs, where there was a small pony herd which the Rees were after
Mrs. Spotted Horn Bull also gave her version of events to McLaughlin, who repeated it in My Friend.
Gordie
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Post by tatanka on Jul 10, 2008 6:15:06 GMT -6
I don't know how effective Renos' firing was but several of the Hunkpapa tipis were damaged by gunfire. Reno blamed the Ree scouts for the deaths of the women and children. As for Indian killing Indian, The Lakota and Arikara were sworn enemies and neither had much hesitation in killing each other. The main difference was that neither wanted to wipe the other out, unlike the "palefaces". It was tribal warfare, a chance to count coup and win battle honours, tho not in killing women and children. It was the purpose of being a warrior.
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