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Post by elisabeth on Oct 12, 2007 9:42:55 GMT -6
The Italians may have it, after all. From a school project I did on this when I was nine, I seem to remember it was the Emperor Nero who invented it ...
But as long as we Brits invented steak-and-kidney pie, I don't mind!
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Post by Tricia on Oct 12, 2007 10:59:03 GMT -6
Hunk--
I'm more than willing to take up the Chairwomanship of our new group. I'm wondering who can be my slave and second in charge.
Trish, future chairchick of the Not Another Custer Club
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Post by harpskiddie on Oct 12, 2007 11:13:10 GMT -6
My voice is for war, er I mean Fred.
Gordie, make you sore, and what is more, that is not what you are here for..................................
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Post by BrokenSword on Oct 12, 2007 12:09:31 GMT -6
“... I scream... you scream... we all scream for ice cream…” Dr. Deminto played the song all the time on his show and I can’t remember who sang it.
Elisabeth may be the closest to correct. The Emperor Nero did indeed have slaves that ran from the Alps to Rome with baskets of snow on their backs. Different fruit juices were poured over cups of the snow and served at his parties/banquets/orgies. “Hey, little girl.. Want a snow cone?”
The ancient Chinese are thought to have invented ice cream also. Alas, that cannot be proven. Unfortunately, the Red Guard accidentally destroyed the original recipe during a cultural purges in the 1970s. The Guard declared it ‘decadent’ and Mao declared them under arrest. Seems it was among his favorite things - along with quite walks in a gentle summer rain, puppies, sunsets and mass executions.
Gordie’s confusion about Martha Washington may be in regard to her attempts to feed the army at Valley Forge. She actually created a dish named ‘Hot Liberty Soup’ but it was so cold that winter that the soup froze while being poured from the ladle into the bowls. The troops were starving and so ate it anyway. George was amazed that his soldiers actually gained weight from the ‘soup’ while in camp. (Gordie? Are mountain oysters from my side or your side of the border?? I noticed that neither of us claimed it.)
Personally, I love steak and kidney pie. IF you leave the kidneys out of it, and of course you don’t put it into a pie with the other stuff.
Sadly, we seem to have no Mexican members here to weight in on the delights from the rest on North America. Ah, well.
M
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Post by gary on Oct 12, 2007 12:35:39 GMT -6
Funnily enough, ice cream is one of the lunch time puddings available to those attending the Custer Association of Great Britain's Autumn meeting on 10th November 2007 at The Chestnut Tree, 208 Sheldon Heath Road, Birmingham, B26 2RY (from 9.45 am until 4.30 pm). You can also have apple pie, treacle sponge pudding and chocolate sponge pudding.
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Post by crzhrs on Oct 12, 2007 12:44:25 GMT -6
From Wikipedia:
Ancient civilizations had saved ice for cold foods for thousands of years. Mesopotamia has the earliest icehouses in existence, 4,000 years ago, beside the Euphrates River, where the wealthy stored items to keep them cold. The pharaohs of Egypt had ice shipped to them.
In the fifth century BC, ancient Greeks sold snow cones mixed with honey and fruit in the markets of Athens. Persians, having mastered the storage of ice, ate ice cream well into summer. Roman emperor Nero (37–68) had ice brought from the mountains and combined with fruit toppings. Today's ice treats likely originated with these early ice delicacies
In 400 BC, Persians invented a special chilled pudding-like dish, made of rosewater and vermicelli which was served to royalty during summers. The ice was mixed with saffron, fruits, and various other flavors. The treat, widely made in Iran today, is called "faloodeh", and is made from starch (usually wheat), spun in a sieve-like machine which produces threads or drops of the batter, which are boiled in water. The mix is then frozen, and mixed with rosewater and lemons, before serving.
Ice cream was the favorite dessert for the caliphs of Baghdad. The Arabs were the first to add sugar to ice cream, and were also the first to make ice cream commercially, having factories in the 10th century. It was sold in the markets of all Arab cities in the past. It was made of a chilled syrup or milk with fruits and some nuts. Ice cream was introduced to the west by Arabs, through Sicily . . .
According to Maguelonne Toussaint-Samat in her History of Food, "the Chinese may be credited with inventing a device to make sorbets and ice cream.
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Post by Tricia on Oct 12, 2007 12:47:48 GMT -6
My favourite Mexican food is Sonoran--it's mild in flavour. I tend to like a plain cheese enchiladas, chimis, and a good ol' shredded beef taco. Another delicacy of the area is a cheese crisp--a pizza-sized flour tortilla piled with cheddar cheese and broiled.
When I'm in the mood, New Mexican mexican is good as well, but much spicier and the father of blue tortillas (the color of corn often grown by the various Pueblos). Unfortunately, here in Arkansas, all we have is Tex Mex--where everything is covered and festooned with chili con carne. Ugh.
And yes, my great-great grandpa was probably Mexican. His name was Juan Cochinas, we think.
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Post by BrokenSword on Oct 12, 2007 13:22:36 GMT -6
Trish... "And yes, my great-great grandpa was probably Mexican. His name was Juan Cochinas, we think. "
Well then, you're our expert on it.
M
"Mamacita! More frijoles, por favore?"
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Post by Tricia on Oct 12, 2007 13:56:49 GMT -6
I prefer my frijoles negros, frankly.
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Oct 12, 2007 14:49:41 GMT -6
Madam Chairchick, if only my duties as No.1 Goddess Groveller were not so onerous I'd be happy to be one half of the first pair of NACCERS. I'm a little worried though about your food preferences. Frijoles negros might just get you placed on one of Strange's pedestals for unsung civil rights heroes/heroines.
H
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Post by harpskiddie on Oct 12, 2007 18:35:06 GMT -6
Mike:
We call them, usually. prairie oysters - breaded, deep fried, with a little dipping sauce on the side. And a barf bag, for when you reveal the secret to the diner.
I'll take anything mole, especially pollo; carne yucateca; char-broiled snapper stuffed with shrimp, served with salsa verde; black beans and rice; chili and pan-fried corn tortillas.
We don't have a plethora of Mexican-style restaurants up here [in the Vancouver area], but there are two or three mom and pop operations which serve authentic food, each of them from a different region. There is a good one about a mile or so away from me.
The "usual suspects" - Taco Bell etc. are represented, but not to the extent one sees them south of the border. Strangely enough, Washington State has some really decent Mexican places, and there are little enclaves of Mexican-American settlement. We have one in Burnaby [between Vancouver and New Westminster].
Gordie, put down that groundhog, baby Elizabeth - you don't know where it's been.........................
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Post by gary on Mar 16, 2008 11:56:34 GMT -6
THE CUSTER ASSOCIATION OF GREAT BRITAIN PLANTING MOON GATHERING – SATURDAY, 10 MAY 2008 The Planting Moon Gathering of the Custer Association of Great Britain that will take place on Saturday, 10 May 2008 at Doggett’s Coat & Badge, Blackfriars Bridge, London, SE1 9UD, which is situated on the south bank of the Thames. This famous riverside pub, with a private meeting room and panoramic views of St. Paul’s Cathedral and the City from its exclusive terrace bar, is only a ten-minute walk from Waterloo Railway Station. The Programme for the Day is: 10.30 - 11.00 Arrival/coffee/tea/introductions 11.00 - 11.45 Early Plains Indian Wars U.S. Infantry – Terry Hurley & André Fugl 11.45 - 12.30 Tactical Victory, Strategic Defeat - The Events after Little Big Horn from an Indian Perspective – Kevin Galvin 12.30 - 13.00 Monasetah & Custer – Peter Harrison 13.00 - 14.15 Lunch 14.15 - 15.45 Benteen’s ‘Scout’ to the Left - Francis Taunton & Mike Fox 15.45 - 16.15 Break for tea/coffee 16.15 - 16.45 Quiz – Gary Leonard 16.45 - 17.15 Any other business A charge of £5.00 per person will be made to cover morning/afternoon tea or coffee and help defray the cost of hiring the meeting room and terrace bar. There will be plenty of opportunity to socialise and meet members of both the Custer Association of Great Britain and the English Westerners Society on an informal basis. An excellent one or two-course lunch, which is entirely optional, is available. Family members and friends will be made especially welcome. I look forward to seeing you on the day. For further details of the CAGB, go to www.custer-association–gb.org.uk
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Post by gary on Mar 16, 2008 12:05:48 GMT -6
Diane
Sorry about the shameless plug.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Mar 16, 2008 14:56:00 GMT -6
Gary, you are welcome to make shameless plugs as often as you like!
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Post by gary on Mar 17, 2008 2:35:33 GMT -6
Much appreciated. I'll take you up on that!
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