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Post by Danny on Jul 14, 2005 7:35:27 GMT -6
I have followed "Into the West" for over a month and I have to say it has been pretty entertaining although defintely PC. However I was very dissapointed in the last episode's depiction of the Fetterman Battlefield. It had a couple of hundred indians defeating about 20 soldiers, all cavalrymen. Instead of a long slope it was just a short, quick drop-off. About the only thing they had right was the names, dates, and the soldiers winter uniforms. I had been looking forward to this week's episode with LBH but not so much now. I hate to complain but I was really looking forward to a realistic battle scene. In my opinion the Custer Battle scene from "Son of the Morning Star" is the closest I have seen to what most people think is the way the Battle was fought. Just wanted to get some other people's opinions.
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Post by Tricia on Jul 14, 2005 8:34:04 GMT -6
I have followed "Into the West" for over a month and I have to say it has been pretty entertaining although defintely PC. However I was very dissapointed in the last episode's depiction of the Fetterman Battlefield. It had a couple of hundred indians defeating about 20 soldiers, all cavalrymen. Instead of a long slope it was just a short, quick drop-off. About the only thing they had right was the names, dates, and the soldiers winter uniforms. I had been looking forward to this week's episode with LBH but not so much now. I hate to complain but I was really looking forward to a realistic battle scene. In my opinion the Custer Battle scene from "Son of the Morning Star" is the closest I have seen to what most people think is the way the Battle was fought. Just wanted to get some other people's opinions. Danny-- I have only seen 2 1/2 of the episodes of "Into the West" or "A Wheeler on Every Corner," and plan to see this week's show. What I hate about historical fiction is a tendency by the writer to slap a member of the main family in every of-note situation ever recorded in junior's history books. Probably the best example of this (even though it did have my eyes rolling back into my head from time to time) was the adaptation of "The Winds of War." "ITW" just had me laughing. Granted, it smacks of always innocent-Indians and bad-Anglos ... my nephew watched the show with me--and it DID raise his interest in the history of the West. The scene that outraged me last week was when Custer and Libbie visit the captured NA females at the fort and treated them as livestock ... And if it's TNT, you gotta have Tom Berenger! Regards, Leyton McLean
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Post by El Crab on Jul 14, 2005 20:58:30 GMT -6
Apparently, one of the Wheelers will be with Custer and implore him to wait for the reinforcements (read: Terry's arrival, probably on a non-existent timetable) at the LBH. At least that's what I gathered from the trailer for the next episode.
At least when Little Big Man inserted a fictional character into the LBH story, they had his advice for Custer in a humorous scene. For this lovely series, we're going to have more myths perpetuated and Custer in a bad light for doing something he was allowed to do.
So once again, we'll have Custer greedily seeking to get their first, and defeat the village on his own before anyone else can steal his thunder. And he'll ignore the prudent advice of one fictional character, who espouses unto Custer fictional advice about fictional circumstances.
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Post by Tricia on Jul 15, 2005 19:02:48 GMT -6
Good gracious! With all the money Spielberg has, you'd a thunk they'd at least TRY to get the battle right ... or even the lead-up to it. Custer's response to the comments offered by Gibbon ('Don't get greedy!') were totally changed--it went from the enigmatic "No, I won't," to something much more sinister and, well, greedy. But then again, he is Custer!
Glad to know that Custer brought tents on his trip from the Yellowstone to LBH ... I mean, why not? I'm certain his troops would like to have known where he hid them. And Custer received the news about the size of the Indian encampment along the LBH in the comfort of his tent ... ? And where the Samhill was the HILL in Last Stand Hill? I didn't even see Custer get hit ... nothing like a nice, clean death.
This was great comedy. Leyton McLean
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Post by El Crab on Jul 15, 2005 19:37:31 GMT -6
I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds terrible. And to think, Spielberg could have hired me. And I would have worked half the money he paid his consultants. And gotten them an infinitely more accurate story.
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Post by El Crab on Jul 15, 2005 19:59:32 GMT -6
Oh, and from what I've seen of the trailers, the Custache is absolutely terrible. At least they didn't give him a handlebar 'stache, but that bushy thing is comical.
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Post by Danny on Jul 15, 2005 20:32:16 GMT -6
Man, how dissapointing was that? I agree with the earlier comments about getting it right or at least somewhat historically accurate. I realize that we are all LBH buffs and that this mini-series is of a very wide scope but read a book! The geography was wrong, it hardly showed any of the battle, the list goes on and on. Of course GAC was a glory hunting fool. And to think I waited 3 months for this!
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Post by El Crab on Jul 16, 2005 2:55:05 GMT -6
God, that was awful.
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Post by Wayne Sarf on Jul 16, 2005 10:17:03 GMT -6
The "dramatization" of the Custer fight is so flat and meaningless that it seems to exist solely in order to "cover the bases" of relevant Old West Famous Stuff. ;D Doubtless the Wounded Knee "re-creation" will bear absolutely no resemblance to Robert M. Utley's book on the Ghost Dance period, "The Last Days of the Sioux Nation."
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Post by alfuso on Jul 16, 2005 15:38:32 GMT -6
I haven't been able to bring myself to watch last week's ITW let alone the abuse of LBH this week's apparently was. I may record it but I don't think I can bear to watch it.
And why haven't I heard from you in months and months?
alfuso
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Post by custerstillstands on Jul 16, 2005 22:23:14 GMT -6
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Post by Treasuredude on Jul 17, 2005 7:00:02 GMT -6
I watched it last night. What a letdown.
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Post by weir on Jul 17, 2005 9:01:01 GMT -6
I watched it last night. What a letdown. Does Into the West have just one quality...?? I don't know, costums, money spent on set....? Please, as an European it will take long until this... thing comes oversee. I don't want to wait for nothing,
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Post by Tricia on Jul 17, 2005 9:16:16 GMT -6
West--
The scenery in Canada was a nice backdrop (those parts that were filmed there) ... I thought the tale of building the trans-continental railroad was all right. And I did like how they captured the essence of the proto-Indian school movement.
But, West, you are gonna hate this series. I'm as pro-Indian as they come, and if I thought the POV ridiculous--you'll just flip. So start working on your non-pc script--"Into the West" will provide you with plenty of inspiration to tell the tale the way YOU see it!
Regards, Leyton McLean
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Post by weir on Jul 17, 2005 10:05:25 GMT -6
Thank you for your comments M. Mc Lean.
Well, I expected at least a better view of Indians. But political correctness is bad for both sides... Even author James Welch would agree with me about that !
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