Owns White Face Horse

[andrew]

I am looking for more informations on the person of Owns White Face Horse.

Owns White Face Horse has obviously died in 1885, but his family in the Census of Cheyenne River Agency in 1886, still carried his name:

No. 151. Owns White Face Horse
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Big Leg F 40 yrs old
First F 15 yrs old
Sans Arc Woman F 8 yrs old
Praise Her F 4 yrs old

All members of a female, but the at the next year (1887) family carries name of 19-years old young man, Thomas Bad Male, probably Owns White Face Horse's son or may be brother.

Andrew

[andrew]

May be someone from experts may give the answer who was father of Tomas Bad Male?

[ephriam]

Andrew:

Good to hear from you again.

Unfortunately, I do not know anything about the Owns White Face Horse family. There is a gap in the Cheyenne River Agency records, with 1882-1885 missing, so we cannot confirm.

I suspect that this is not the same individual as White Headed Horse who appears in the Sitting Bull Surrender Census, 1881, in between the families of Elk Head and Bad Warrior (part of the Pipe Keeper Red Hair's family). Notice that in 1881, White Headed Horse was age 26, and his wife 23. In the 1886 census of Owns White Face Horse, Big Leg (the presumed wife) is 40. Suggests to me that these are two different individuals, almost a generation apart.

As to Thomas Bad Male, I do not have much. He was born about 1876-77, married about 1895, lived most of his adult life on the Cheyenne River Reservation where he died Mar. 27, 1931.

ephriam

[andrew]

Thanks, Ephriam.

What is the name of White Headed Horse's wife?
And still it would be desirable to learn other members of family of the Elk Head as well as family of the Bad Warrior, besides his wife, to have full representation about their changes begin since 1881.

Looking through census from 1895 by 1886 I found that Eugene Slides Off 's wife, Bessie, was Thomas Bad Male's sister and family member of the Owns White Face Horse (daughter?). But Bessie Sans Arc Woman has been known as Red Hair's daughter (though I dont have confirmation its). Then Thomas Bad Male is son of Red Hair.

Andrew

[ephriam]

Here is the full entry in the Sitting Bull Surrender Census:

Family 295
Sungpa ska White Headed Horse 26
Cante win Heart wife 23
Cante yapi Use Him at Discretion cousin, divorsed, male, 32
Wagmaza Corn sister 25
Cekpa Twin brother 11

I did not double-check the Lakota spelling, so there might be some errors there.

ephriam

[andrew]

Thank, Ephriam, I try to look for traces of this family the next years.

Cante yapi, I would translate as 'Used as Heart'

At Census Records Post you inform, that in the fall of 1881 they even asked how many buffalo and deer they had killed during the past year!
It was interesting how many bisons and deers were killed Red Hair's family and how many it was necessary for residing on average?

Nevertheless it would be desirable to learn structure Family 294 and Family 296 in fact it is the earliest official record of these families.

Andrew

[andrew]

Resently I find in 1898 Cheyenne River Census Roll name of man, White Face Horse with his wife, Mato-kiglewin. I know, that Mato-kiglewin later was wife of High Cat.

Andrew