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Post by strange on Sept 12, 2007 13:06:28 GMT -6
Hi, everyone! I hope this stuff is fresh enough for all of you! Lets drag you all back to white bull's account. I found an interesting thing about his testimony. Often the account where he kills G.A.Custer is confused with the account where a soldier attempted to bite his nose off! The one where he thinks he killed Custer goes something like "I saw a man in a buckskin jacket shouting orders at his soldiers and I figured he must have been a leader, we met each others eyes from afar and he fired and missed and I fired and shot him dead.". G.A.C wasn't wearing a jacket, so it wasn't him, I don't know who. The Nose Biting story is interesting because White Bull says he yanked a soldier off a horse, Custer and his men had dismounted to fight on foot, seemingly the only ones riding a horse would have been the ones who arrived later in the battle, Boston maybe? Was Boston the tall,blond. well built soldier who attempted to bight White Bull's nose off? Could a Custer brother have been any where around here? The general's smaller brothers are still bigger than White Bull any day of the week.
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Post by strange on Sept 12, 2007 13:08:46 GMT -6
Also, I forgot to mention that I think White Bull was given photographs of Custer and thought they were almost a match, except for the mustache. Boston is the only clean shaven Custer brother.
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Post by Scout on Sept 12, 2007 15:25:05 GMT -6
White Bull's account is interesting. If he got close enough for hand to hand fighting on Custer Hill no one was mounted on a horse, I guarantee. Not after all the lead thrown into the survivors from the surrounding hills. Who he tussled with could be just about anybody I suppose. There was also the problem of translations as well. The Indians most likely embellished their deeds just like the soldiers.
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Post by strange on Sept 12, 2007 15:53:37 GMT -6
Thats my point! Boston arrived later when he caught word and left his position on a pack train to ride down with the ammunition I think. Maybe he didn't dismount since he arrived later? Any info on Boston at all would be very worthwhile, I can't find hardly anything on Custer's baby brother.
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Post by Scout on Sept 12, 2007 16:27:16 GMT -6
strange, I think you miss the point I'm making here. According to Indian accounts, no one rushed the hill until all firing stopped coming from the hill. Well, ok, several tried and lost their lives, but toward the end of the fight there was nothing standing...horse or man. The Sioux and Cheyenne pumped hundreds of rounds into that area. Boston would not have still been on a horse when hand to hand fighting occurred which was the last stages of the fight.
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Post by brock on Sept 12, 2007 18:47:47 GMT -6
In my interviews with members of the Crazy Horse descendant family they told a story about the Custers. Unfortunately it did not include Boston, however they did say that Tom was actually killed down by the river near the village and after the battle the Indians argued amongst themselves over which body was G. A. Custers (It seems several knew who he was but pleaded ignorant later when pressed by those who tried to document the stories due to fear of retaliation by the military). The story goes that in order to settle the argument Tom's body was laid over a horse and brought up to Last Stand Hill and put along side his brother's body to compare. The story further states that the horse that brought Tom's body up was caked in his blood when it arrived and that his chest was actually had already been opened down by the river. As I edit this I'll have an opportunity to ask about Boston and see what they might know. No promises.
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Post by kenny on Sept 12, 2007 20:15:26 GMT -6
Now, how many stories is that? They found Tom Custer miles away alive. They kill him and carry him back to Custer ridge. Now this they found him by the River. Now how do they knew what he look like if his face was beat into a plump?
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Post by harpskiddie on Sept 12, 2007 21:11:47 GMT -6
There is also a Cheyenne traditional story which claims that several Cheyennes recognized GAC's body after the fight and carried it over toward the Reno Intrenchment Area, with the intent of returning it to the whites. They came, it was said, under a flag of truce, but were fired upon AND CARRIED THE BODY BACK TO CUSTER HILL.
As to Boston: Godfrey, I believe it was, said that the bodies of Boston and Harry Reed were found some two hundred yards south of Custer Hill on the line of bodies running down toward Deep Ravine [often called the South Skirmish Line]. I believe that they are represented by two markers there , and that the named markers supplied for them and placed on Custer Hill are spurious. Nobody has any idea how they died, or at least I have not found any account that seems to cover that event [admittedly, some accounts can be applied to anyone, anywhere].
Gordie, and so it seems that we have met before, and laughed before, and loved before, but who knows where or when?......................................................
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Post by strange on Sept 12, 2007 21:27:39 GMT -6
Thats it! I've come to my wits end! Custer and his brothers are all blonde, right!? I'll go into every account, I'll search the records for every blonde soldier in Custer's column! And if it drives me to the very brink of insanity, I will have the names and numbers and accounts of every dead blonde soldier until I can pin point how each fought and went down! THATS HOW IT MUST BE DONE! SOMEWHERE THERE mUST BE ANSWERS! ANSWERS! A-N-S-W-E-R-S! Good thoughts all around, never give up, quitters never prosper! How large is Boston by the way? And what exactly deems him "un-healthy" by picky military standards?
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Post by brock on Sept 12, 2007 22:55:15 GMT -6
Just to clarify: They say it was Tom's jacket that triggered the idea that he might be Custer. They say his chest was open, but they don't say anything about his face already beaten in.
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Post by kenny on Sept 12, 2007 23:25:57 GMT -6
Well, that explain who got shot off his horse by the river. But that will discount Rain and the face account and my dream.
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Post by gocav76 on Sept 12, 2007 23:39:52 GMT -6
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Post by kenny on Sept 12, 2007 23:44:50 GMT -6
ELO is one of my favorite groups.
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Post by mwkeogh on Sept 13, 2007 2:44:57 GMT -6
Just to clarify: They say it was Tom's jacket that triggered the idea that he might be Custer. They say his chest was open, but they don't say anything about his face already beaten in. Most of the officers in Custer's battalian were wearing buckskin jackets that day....not just Tom and the General.
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Post by crzhrs on Sept 13, 2007 7:17:45 GMT -6
<Most of the officers in Custer's battalian were wearing buckskin jackets that day....not just Tom and the General>
Ditto . . . which makes it difficult to determine just what officer was killed and/or identified by the Sioux and at what time and place.
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