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Post by agnes on Aug 22, 2006 11:44:52 GMT -6
Diane,
Once I tried the Paypal, therefore I know that is unadapted for me, because I haven't currency based credit card such as Mastercard, Visa, etc... Thus I will send You a money check. Can You accept the Western Union check?
Agnes
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Post by Diane Merkel on Aug 22, 2006 21:07:43 GMT -6
Yes, Agnes. I'm sure that will be fine. Thank you!
Diane
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Post by agnes on Aug 23, 2006 15:29:33 GMT -6
Ok Diane!
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Post by grahamew on Aug 29, 2006 3:57:24 GMT -6
"I have TO KILL AN EAGLE by Kadleck (they owned a ranch in Nebraska and got to know many elderly Indians) which has photographs of Crazy Horse's "burial" tree. Supposedly Crazy Horse's body was placed there for a brief time then his parents took his body, cut it in half, and buried it in an unknown cave."
Where does the story of Crazy Horse's body being cut in half to make it easier to fit in his 'coffin' come from? If CH's parents did it, wouldn't this amount to mutilation? Doesn't seem likely. I first read that the whites did it because they didn't have a wooden box big enough to put his body in. This is the version in Black Elk Speaks, but it's not in the original transcripts in the Sixth Grandfather. It seems unlikely that after killing their son, the army should turn to Mr and Mrs Worm and say, "One more thing, we didn't have a box big enough so we, uh, cut him in half. Sorry." Wouldn't all hell have broken loose? It's not as if he was a big guy (five foot eight according to Bourke).
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 29, 2006 7:45:56 GMT -6
grahamew:
I will have to go back to TO KILL AN EAGLE for the source. Kadleck interviewed a number of elderly Indians and/or descendants of Indians who were told stories about Crazy Horse.
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Post by grahamew on Aug 29, 2006 9:54:40 GMT -6
I've read the book but not thoroughly for a few years. My recollection is that there are some important interviews but there are others where you can see the development of a myth as half-remembered events are elaborated upon - much as we all do, I guess. Anyhow, on cursory examination, I can't find the reference there.
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Post by apsalooka on Aug 29, 2006 11:39:08 GMT -6
In the book, Voices of the American West, Vol.1 The Indian Interviews of Eli S.Ricker, 1903-1919 there is no mentioning of cutting the body in half. The body was buried completely 3 times on different places. The last time somewere near the wounded Knee erea. Medicine man Chips is/was the only person who knows were the body is buried. Henri
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Post by grahamew on Aug 29, 2006 15:37:30 GMT -6
Yeah, I was just wondering where the story came from. Seems an odd one.
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Post by crzhrs on Aug 29, 2006 16:39:03 GMT -6
grahamew:
I've look in TO KILL AN EAGLE and I could not find any reference to Crazy Horse's body being cut in half. I know I read it someone where but for the life of me can't find it again!
You're probably right about myths and memories and stories passed down.
As for CH's burial spot . . . Stinking Bear, as a young man, said: "Unknown to the father and mother of CH, he had followed them out of the camp when they took their son's body off on a travois. He watched them when they buried CH. CH still wrapped in the buffalo hide, was placed, standing up, in a crevice or crack in a bluff. Then they pried and dug with sticks and started a big slide of rocks that completely covered him."
According to Stinking Bear CH was buried in a rocky outcrop that had three pinnacles of stone that is pictured in TO KILL AN EAGLE.
The site is now covered with pine trees and hidden from view.
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Post by shan on Sept 6, 2006 3:51:41 GMT -6
Having not had time to catch up with what has been happening on various threads, I was trawling throught the Northern Plains Indian section today and came across a photograph of Little Big Man with his two daughters that Ephriam posted, and I have to say I too am unsure that this is our man, whatsmore I would agree with Dietmar that he strongly resembles Sword. Likewise the magnificent image of Whirlwind in horned warbonnet that was recently posted, who ever the man is, personnally I doubt very much that he is the same Whirlwind as in the other photograph. Shan
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Post by ephriam on Sept 7, 2006 11:52:31 GMT -6
Thank you everyone who contributed towards purchasing the Godkin portraits. Copies have been ordered. When they arrive, I will forward you a CD with high resolution TIFF images for you to enjoy!
ephriam
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Post by ephriam on Sept 19, 2006 16:55:02 GMT -6
Great news! The CD from the Smithsonian has arrived with the final Godkin images. I will burn copy CDs tonight and send them out to everyone who participated. Thank you for contributing!
Incidentally, remember the supposed photograph of Little Big Man by Godkin that I posted. Several of you thought that the individual looked more like George Sword. Brewer's sharp eye caught that there was another image on SIRIS labeled George Sword and daughters. I ordered that image as part of our set and guess what -- it is the same portrait! Good eye everyone!
ephriam
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Post by buffaloman on Sept 20, 2006 4:30:28 GMT -6
Good news, Ephriam. Thanks for doing this! I'll look forward to seeing the Godkin photos.
-Bob
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Post by ephriam on Sept 29, 2006 15:14:17 GMT -6
Sorry for the delay. The CD of Godkin portraits went out in this morning's mail to everyone. Thank you again for participating!
Please note when you look at the images that the Little Big Man image is George Sword. Also, the portrait labeled White Bird is in fact Young Man Afraid of His Horses.
Enjoy!
ephriam
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Post by agnes on Sept 30, 2006 12:57:51 GMT -6
Thanks Ephriam! I'm already waiting!
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