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Post by grahamew on May 4, 2006 12:05:10 GMT -6
If memory serves, aren't they from the William (?) Taylor collection? He was an artist and illustrator who collected photos and prints of Indians as source material for his own work; it's likely that the notation about Rain refers to another photo stuck on the backing sheet.
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 4, 2006 13:40:56 GMT -6
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Post by grahamew on May 4, 2006 15:09:41 GMT -6
James! I thought: Nah, it couldn't be...
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 4, 2006 19:53:46 GMT -6
It certainly appears to be from one of his album sheets. I didn't look at them all closely, but the annotations appear to be of the type used in the Smithsonian material. www.nmnh.si.edu/naa/taylor/taylor.htm# |
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Post by grahamew on May 6, 2006 10:50:12 GMT -6
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Post by Dietmar on May 6, 2006 15:27:16 GMT -6
Thank you all for your comments and help.
The first Two Strikes photos were both made by Alexander Gardner in 1872, the third by Stanley Morrow. But I don´t think the man in the group photo looks the same. Also there certainly isn´t Rain-in-the-Face in the picture.
I compared the three faces with the delegation photos of 1872, 1875 and 1877 but still I cannot identify any indian from the picture.
Maybe the fans holding by all three indians in the photograph can give a hint. I would guess they were handed out to indian delegates as a present by white officials. Did anyone see these kind of fans in other pictures?
Regards,
Dietmar
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Post by ephriam on May 6, 2006 16:13:35 GMT -6
Dietmar:
I am aware of only one other Lakota image in which an identical fan appears. Also in the Taylor Collection on SIRIS is a photograph of the Oglala Lakota headman Slow Bull Tatanka Hunkesni (c1823-1904). The only delegation that I am aware that Slow Bull participated in was for 1872, suggesting that the unidentified image was also taken that year.
As to the identification of the image, I sent it to a few friends. One suggested that the man in the immediate left is Charger, prominent Sans Arc headman from Cheyenne River Agency. I do not have any photographs of him with which to compare. He also suggested that the man on the right is the Brule Gassy. After looking at Gardner's 1872 portraits of Gassy, I am not certain.
It is an intreguing image -- wish we knew more!
ephriam
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Post by Dietmar on May 6, 2006 17:03:28 GMT -6
Thanks Ephriam, you are right, the fan in the Slow Bull photo seems identical.  Then if the photo was made in 1872, another photo from the Taylor collection comes to my mind:  High Wolf, Oglala This is just a guess: The 1872 delegates were not only photographed by Alexander Gardner for the album that became the "William Henry Blackmore collection" but at least at one other occasion (Brady? or just another shot from Gardner?). Three of the photographs posted here seem to be cut out of a group photograph (hence four of the indians are kneeling). So it could be Gassy on the right, but I´m not too sure either. I also can´t find a resemblance to the indians in the other Gardner photos. Charger (or Martin Charger) was part of the 1870 and 1875 delegation to Washington, I don´t think he was there in 1872. But I thought of him when first seeing the three unidentified indians. I have to scan the delegation group photo from 1875 and post it later. Dietmar |
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Post by Dietmar on May 7, 2006 4:16:11 GMT -6
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Post by grahamew on May 7, 2006 11:03:24 GMT -6
Well, I can't see your pictures yet, Dietmar, but if he's the one sitting next to Spotted Elk outside the Treasury Building, I think you may be on to something. Don't think that's Gassy, however. His picture's near the start of this thread.
Okay. Now I can see them! Do you know when the photo of Charger with the white man was taken? He looks like he's been given a new shirt and hat especially for the occasion.
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Post by Dietmar on May 7, 2006 15:22:49 GMT -6
Grahame,
I don´t know the correct date of the photo, but it is one half of a stereograph I found elsewhere entitled "Red Cloud and scout" - obviously wrong.
The stereograph was taken by J. Gurney & Son, New York, as printed on the margin.
Dietmar
P.S.: I´m glad for every comment on the 1875 delegation photo. Several identifications are still unclear. Thanks.
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