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Post by grahamew on Oct 20, 2007 2:31:43 GMT -6
Second photo is by Barry. Maybe Fiske copyrighted it and sold the image later or maybe it's just a photo he collected, but it's the same backdrop you can see in any number of Barry photos from the mid 1880s and beyond - like this one: Here's a Zalmon Gilbert photo of Red Tomahawk, possibly Eagle Man and one other: Do we read anything into the fact he's holding the pipe uside down? Gilbert's studio was in Mandan and I have a vague recollection that he was out west until about 1891, so this is possibly a post-Sitting Bull photo.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 20, 2007 5:29:21 GMT -6
Sitting right is the Yanktonai leader Big Head.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 20, 2007 5:31:50 GMT -6
The man sitting left reminds me of Low Dog... Shan?
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 20, 2007 5:56:46 GMT -6
... but more likely he is Crazy Walking, captain (?) of police at Standing Rock.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 20, 2007 6:00:15 GMT -6
Here is another photo of Crazy Walking with Mad Bear standing right and a white man.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 20, 2007 11:15:51 GMT -6
Red Tomahawk by De Lancey Gill, 1902:
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Post by grahamew on Oct 21, 2007 2:48:31 GMT -6
Henry Bullhead
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Post by wolfgang on Oct 22, 2007 10:25:57 GMT -6
Hey folk, let´s go back to Crow King. Here is an other photo of him. it´s from the book"Sitting Bull´s Surrender at Fort Buford" by Paul L.Hedren. In the photo is Crow King, Major David Brotherton and Low Dog, standing behind is the interpreter George Fleury. Taken by Barry at Fort Buford in May 1881 after their return from Canada.
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Post by shan on Oct 23, 2007 8:33:24 GMT -6
Dietmar, much as I would love him to be Low Dog, and he certainly looks very like him, I think he is in fact Crazy Walking. shan
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 23, 2007 13:42:18 GMT -6
Does anyone know of a photographer with the name of Herrin?
I found a list of photographs labelled "For sale by Herrin, Artist. East Portland, Or."
On this list are among others the names of Crow King and Low Dog. Could be that Herrin only copied the Barry photos, but there are also definetly photos he made by himself among the Lakotas, or at least I haven´t seen them among the work of other photographers.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 25, 2007 12:12:14 GMT -6
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 9, 2007 7:40:27 GMT -6
According to the census records of 1886 Mary Laura Crow King and Emma Crow King, the daughters of Chief Crow King aka Patriarch Crow, were born in 1876 and 1880.
In 1886 they as orphans lived in the household of a 38 years old Hunkpapa, whose name is hardly readable in the records. Ancestry.com gives it as "Rekerwd Victerwra" (whatever that means) and his wife "Scratch Them" (age 36). I read his Indian name as "Waklegli" (or something like that) and perhaps R... Victorino.
Their children were Weasel Eagle (12), Kill the Enemy (9), and Red Owl.
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 9, 2007 7:46:53 GMT -6
Waktegli means literally Kills Comes Back, but I suggest the unreadable name/translation is something like Returns Victorious
Best
Kingsley
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 9, 2007 8:14:25 GMT -6
Thank you Kingsley!
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Post by glenbow on Nov 9, 2007 12:39:43 GMT -6
Thank you both for sharing this revealing information regarding the adopted family of Crow King’s daughters after his death in 1884. I checked a list of Standing Rock Agency bands from the National Archives (RG 75 Records of the Bureau of Indian Affairs; Roll 5A: Record of Rations Issued 1885) to try and discover a clue as to who the mystery family head was. There was indeed a male by the name of Wakte Gli (Returned Victorious) who was head of a household consisting of six people in that year. This family belonged to a band led by Mato Hakikta (Chief Bear Looking Back). The two Crow King girls belonged to a band headed by Mato Wakantuya (Chief High Bear) at the same time the list was compiled. They were listed as belonging to the "Crow King" or "Kangi Yatpika" family, even though their birth parents had died the previous year. Wakte Gle’s family consisted of 6 people in July of 1885. Could there have been a kinship tie between Crow King and this man, or possibly his wife, Scratch Them? Crow King was said to have had two sisters who survived him - perhaps Scratched Them was one of them? Crow King also had at least one living brother at the time of his death - could that man have been Wakte Gle? There is also a question regarding the further adoption of the two Crow King girls by Agent James Mclaughlin and his wife Marie. McLaughlin stated in his book of memoirs, “My Friend The Indian”, that he had promised Crow King before the war chief’s death that they would care for (adopt?) the girls when their parents were gone (McLaughlin wrote that Crow King and his Lakota wife died within a few months of each other). It is known that both the Crow King girls were sent to an Agency school shortly thereafter. Mary died in 1889 and Emma was sent to the Chilocco boarding school in Oklahoma, although she later returned to Standing Rock at the request of Mrs. McLaughlin. I recall that this took place sometime around 1900 and that Emma married an agency employee named Paul Cornouyer a few years later.
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