Jenny
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Post by Jenny on Feb 19, 2023 18:59:37 GMT -6
For sure, all of it. I am certain there are no certain answers, other than many men were dead at the end of the battle.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Feb 20, 2023 1:23:04 GMT -6
Can't really add much because it is 7am and I am in work but the story I relate to is an Indian account which mention a soldier on a horse taking on the warriors with his revolver, he actually did some damage, not sure if he had a sword too which would mean he was an officer.
The account relates to actions around calhoun coulee and FFR.
Ian
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Post by noggy on Feb 20, 2023 4:37:52 GMT -6
The account relates to actions around calhoun coulee and FFR. Ian I remember in Lakota Noon, where Michno showed how numerous events were placed all over the place (no pun intended). Personally I am often sceptical to when it comes to in detail placing individuals on the battlefield. Geir
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Post by noggy on Feb 20, 2023 4:39:02 GMT -6
For sure, all of it. I am certain there are no certain answers, other than many men were dead at the end of the battle. And some women and children too, of whom there would have been many more had the battle not gone the way it did. Noggy
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Post by shan on Feb 20, 2023 10:22:17 GMT -6
In relation to the various Indian accounts of a lone rider trying to make his escape. There are two ways of looking at this. One, all these accounts are talking about the same incident, excepting that they are coming from warriors who were on different parts of the field when it happened, consequently we get accounts of the same incident from men who saw it from different angles and different distances. There is of course the distinct possibility that some of them are relating around the fire stories, a factor that would apply to my second catogory.
This obe envisages that there may have been several attempted escapes. Now s some of you may know, I'm always on the lookot for any stories relating to Low Dog, and in Chetenne memories, JSIT relates a story where Low Dog and a Cheyenne named Little Sun were coming back from the Reno area when they saw a lone soldier coming towards them. They tried to cut him off but he eluded them and was getting away, and so Low Dog, who was known to be a good shot, dismounted and shot the man from his horse. Little Sun then mentions seeing two or three Sioux chasing the mans horse but he wasn't sure if they caught it. Now, this encounter sounds very different to the one in which a mounted trooper tries to escape, but, then just as the Indians are about to give up because his horse was too fast for them, they thought they saw him shoot himself with his pistol. Now let me play devils advocate for a moment, what if what they saw was the man that Low Dog shot, but that they couldn't see, or else were unaware of any other warriors in the vicinty. It is of course possible, and if so, then we have two very differnt stories about the same incident.But I'm straying from my point. Personally, I suspect there were several attempts to escape, some of which didn't get very far, and could hardly be differenciated from the general fighting, whilst yet others got suffiebtly far away to merit sticking in the memory.
Amos Bad Heart Bull made at least two drawings of the mounted soldier supposedly shooting himself in the head and its aftermath, and although I can't for the moment name them, I think there maybe other Indian drawings as well. As for whether the man is Lt Harrinton or Nathan Short, well, I think we can rule out Short, for its hard to beleive that any of the warriors would have left the battle to pursue the man so far, especially if they knew they were leaving friends and familes who were in potenial danger, if indeed the body was Nathan Short. As for Harrinton, I suspect he was killed during C companies move to drive warrious out of Calhoun coulee. Stripped, mutilate and dragged about, its a miracle that anyone was recognised, so I suspect that the Harrinton story appeals to the heart rather than reality.
Finally, I agree with czhrs, once the wars were over, then you tell the victors what you think they want to hear,and whilst I have no doubt that they probably noted a number of brave men throughout the battle, this was after all what fueled the fires of warrior culture, I'm afraid stories have a way of growing.
Shan
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