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Post by arthur on Apr 15, 2006 9:45:51 GMT -6
I'm looking for a source on Charles F. Roe. Roe was not actually in the 7th, but in the 2nd, and I recall that he was one of the first on the battlefiled afterward. Anyone have a source of biographical information on him?
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Post by michigander on Apr 25, 2006 14:24:26 GMT -6
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Post by herosrest on Apr 4, 2018 10:25:11 GMT -6
Charles F. RoeA 1893 sketch by artist Frederick Remington depicting the subject of a record breaking ride that'd been widely discussed. In 1869, Charles F. Roe was the Post Adjutant at Camp Harney in southeastern Oregon. Word had come of an impending Indian uprising and it was essential to contact the troops at Fort Bidwell in California. With only an hour’s preparation, Roe left for Camp Bidwell, accompanied by a sergeant and private. The three made it to the closest station en route, Camp Warner, after an arduous trek over barren, alkali country. They had covered the hundred and fifty miles to the post in twenty-four hours, earning them the Army’s record for long distance riding. The next day, they arrived by wagon at Camp Bidwell twelve hours ahead of schedule. Roe's record for time and distance apparently included the qualifier, "without killing the horse." Remington later painted a more detailed watercolor of this event.
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Post by herosrest on Apr 5, 2018 11:08:36 GMT -6
Link to a li'l piece of history, all things being equal - 'Would I lie to you, honey?' then this is it! Oh yea.......... As good a battle memento as battle mementoes get or go. 4 4 4. I point this up to one and all because of the insanely low BiNow. Stop and think about Roe. He was in LBH valley TWO MONTHS before 7th Cavalry. He..... see below. His daughter's death was a tragedy. an extremely rare 10x13 inch hand signed class of 1868 West Point Albumen image of a famous Little Big Horn Campaign participant. 2nd Lt. Charles F. Roe commanding Company F, 2nd Cavalry of Gibbons Montana column. He was one of the first officers to take the field after the battle and assess the damage inflicted on the seventh cavalry. His first hand account of the battle is famous. He was charged with pursuing the Indians along there retreat line after the battle. Lt Roe was also in charge of placing the 18 ton Permanent granite monument on the battlefield in July Of 1881. He was engaged in many of the Indian wars Battles and retired a Major General. This hand signed image is in excellent condition . There is also a small 2 1/2 x 4 inch cadet photo included in this auction. If you are not familiar with Lt Charles F. Roe just google his name and there is an endless amount of info on him. Good luck. Roes account of the battle!!! THE STORY OF A SECOND CAVALRY LIEUTENANT We found in the Indian village a white man's head with a lariat tied to it, which had been dragged around the village until the head was pulled off the body... His [Captain Tom Custer's] heart was cut out, and in the village was found a man's heart with a lariat attached to it, possibly Captain Custer's. In front of my Troop after we went into camp, there was a dead body lying, naked, and the features hammered into jelly. This body was soon after recognized as that of Lieutenant McIntosh by his brother-in-law Lieutenant Gibson, of H Troop, who was shown a gutta-percha sleeve button picked up near the corpse, both officers having been given the same kind of sleeve buttons by their wives just before leaving Fort Lincoln. The body of Mitch Bouyer, the half-breed scout, was found on Custer's field and not far from the river. It also was very badly mutilated." [Note: Roe was probably confusing Bouyer with Custer's head scout, Bloody Knife, who would have been hard to identify because he was decapitated. Bloody Knife was killed in the timber near the river during Reno's retreat, and subsequently mutilated badly. According to the overwhelming evidence of the eye-witness record, Bouyer was killed on the Little Bighorn at Medicine Tail Coulee, and according to Marcus Reno's final report on the battle, Bouyer's body was never found.]... Item location: Lead, South Dakota, Hola. Kola. Anecdote - Benny Haven's
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Post by herosrest on Apr 5, 2018 11:38:10 GMT -6
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Post by noggy on Apr 5, 2018 14:11:41 GMT -6
Link to a li'l piece of history, all things being equal - 'Would I lie to you, honey?' then this is it! Oh yea.......... As good a battle memento as battle mementoes get or go. 4 4 4. I point this up to one and all because of the insanely low BiNow. Stop and think about Roe. He was in LBH valley TWO MONTHS before 7th Cavalry. He..... see below. His daughter's death was a tragedy. an extremely rare 10x13 inch hand signed class of 1868 West Point Albumen image of a famous Little Big Horn Campaign participant. 2nd Lt. Charles F. Roe commanding Company F, 2nd Cavalry of Gibbons Montana column. He was one of the first officers to take the field after the battle and assess the damage inflicted on the seventh cavalry. His first hand account of the battle is famous. He was charged with pursuing the Indians along there retreat line after the battle. Lt Roe was also in charge of placing the 18 ton Permanent granite monument on the battlefield in July Of 1881. He was engaged in many of the Indian wars Battles and retired a Major General. This hand signed image is in excellent condition . There is also a small 2 1/2 x 4 inch cadet photo included in this auction. If you are not familiar with Lt Charles F. Roe just google his name and there is an endless amount of info on him. Good luck. Roes account of the battle!!! THE STORY OF A SECOND CAVALRY LIEUTENANT We found in the Indian village a white man's head with a lariat tied to it, which had been dragged around the village until the head was pulled off the body... His [Captain Tom Custer's] heart was cut out, and in the village was found a man's heart with a lariat attached to it, possibly Captain Custer's. In front of my Troop after we went into camp, there was a dead body lying, naked, and the features hammered into jelly. This body was soon after recognized as that of Lieutenant McIntosh by his brother-in-law Lieutenant Gibson, of H Troop, who was shown a gutta-percha sleeve button picked up near the corpse, both officers having been given the same kind of sleeve buttons by their wives just before leaving Fort Lincoln. The body of Mitch Bouyer, the half-breed scout, was found on Custer's field and not far from the river. It also was very badly mutilated." [Note: Roe was probably confusing Bouyer with Custer's head scout, Bloody Knife, who would have been hard to identify because he was decapitated. Bloody Knife was killed in the timber near the river during Reno's retreat, and subsequently mutilated badly. According to the overwhelming evidence of the eye-witness record, Bouyer was killed on the Little Bighorn at Medicine Tail Coulee, and according to Marcus Reno's final report on the battle, Bouyer's body was never found.]... Item location: Lead, South Dakota, Hola. Kola. Anecdote - Benny Haven's I must say I am impressed with the amount and diversity of stuff regarding the LBH you continue to find, HR! Never knew there existed such a e-marked for LBH related stuff either... Wow. All the best, Noggy
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Post by herosrest on Apr 5, 2018 17:37:22 GMT -6
There's quite a bit besides the right and wrongs of..... Reno's rising male chicken to... discover. I remember from long ago amongs vague tribal record that Van Reilly's orderly stood over the wounded officer keeping warriors at bay until he was lassoed and dragged off. True, story, who knows but it solves the Roe head's up. People rubbish these men..... go figure. Be well.
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Post by herosrest on Aug 30, 2022 4:31:09 GMT -6
Charles F. Roe - Highland Falls Find a grave record. For those not familiar with Roe or Orange County, link Buttermilk - Quote: 'Whether it was the nicest of the small hotels on Main Street, I can't say, but it was definitely the most convenient to West Point, being directly adjacent located just outside the gate'. On the lawn.Buffalo Bill Centre Remington painting of Roe, who instituted and commanded New York's National Guard.
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Post by herosrest on Aug 30, 2022 4:32:58 GMT -6
How to make ButtermilkLt. Roe's report of 2nd Cavalry's scout of the Bighorn and Little Horn and Little Bighorn rivers, Companies H & F, 24th April - 1st May, 1876. linkI visited the Battlefield where Custer was massacred first, soon after the 1st of January, 1878, in Company with Lieut. Chas F. Roe, 2nd Cavalry, who was with the Terry command and had gone over the ground two days after the massacre. My visit was 1½ years after, but th trail of the Indians, to the great camp where Custer found them, was still very plain, and the hill on which Custer and his men lost their lives was still covered with bones of horses and men. The latter had been buried but had been washed out or uncovered by animals. Lieut. Roe pointed out to me the places where the bodies of the officers were found and the mutilation of each was described. - Erasmus Corwin Gilbreath. ' Dignity of Duty'
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Post by herosrest on Aug 30, 2022 5:35:25 GMT -6
Collection 2406 - Lilla Bogert letters, 1876-1877. Lilla Bogert was born on January 6, 1848 in Brooklyn, New York. Her family moved west to Bozeman in the mid-1870s and quickly became a leading family in the new town. Her brother, John V. Bogert, became the first mayor of Bozeman in 1883. Along with her two sisters Augusta and Kate, Lilla became a leading socialite in the community and nearby Fort Ellis. Her sister Kate married Lieutenant Charles Roe from Fort Ellis and Augusta married Arthur Place. Lilla never married. Lilla devoted much of her adult life to making Sunset Hills Cemetery the most beautiful one in the state. She held a charity bazaar with her sister Kate to raise money for the cemetery, started work to plant trees and flowers on the grounds, and served as a member of the cemetery board. An accomplished western artist, Lilla is known for her paintings of Montana topics. She even had a poem published in the compilation of poems The Badge of Honor for 1942, compilation of poems. The last years of her life Lilla was a patient at Bozeman Deaconess Hospital where she died on September 3, 1951 at the age of 103. Second Lieutenant Charles Brewster Schofield wrote to Lilla in the months surrounding the Battle of the Little Big Horn. He was born on June 26, 1849 in Illinois and graduated from West Point in 1870. His first field assignment was field duty at Fort Ellis where he was a Second Lieutenant. He fought for the Indian campaigns from 1872 to 1876, including the Sioux Expedition of 1876. The following year he fought in the Nez Perce War. From 1878 to 1885, he was the Aide-de-camp to Major General John Schofield, his brother. He was promoted to First Lieutenant in 1879. In 1885, he returned to frontier duty at Fort Walla Walla in Washington. In 1895, he was once again promoted, becoming a Lieutenant Colonel. He served in the Spanish-American War in 1898 and the following year was shipped to Cuba. It was at Matanzas, Cuba where Schofield died on February 1, 1901 of heart disease at the age of 51. Content Description Note: The Lilla Bogert Letters contain six letters written by Charles Schofield from the field from 1876-1877. The 1876 letters were written while Schofield was on special assignment with the Second Cavalry. Schofield was with the "Montana Column" under Colonel John Gibbon on the 1876 Sioux Campaign. The "Montana Column" was part of a pincer movement including General Crook from Fort Fetterman, and General Terry and Lt. Colonel George A. Custer from Fort Abraham Lincoln. The result was the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Schofield tells Lilla of the conditions in the camps and his thoughts of Custer and other leaders, the Sioux, and the battle itself. A remarkable brother - John McAllister Schofield. Interesting read. Connection to Roe and Nat. Guard, West Point, besides much else.
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Post by herosrest on Aug 30, 2022 5:43:28 GMT -6
No one of the time, knew more of events at LBH in the round, than Roe. There are letters for example July 4th 1876, to his wife, besides the interview of Curley; and his own (very rare) narrative of the battle. I'm mulling pulling this together for a post. It's fascinating stuff from a fascinating guy. He led the mission which interred the battlefield remains in 1881, and erected the original stone monument. It is my considrred expert opinion, that Frank Finkel was with the civilians attending that work; or those who later refaced the frost, handling and bullet holes damage before the 1886 anniversary. That would be how Finkel gained intimate knowledge of the terrain and events. Mulling............ this isn'y fine wine, unfortunately - but nor is it fine whine and rather expert opinion and observation - as good as it gets and sorely lacking from study of this battle. At ease....................... 'We are going to cross that river, Mister......... !'
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