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Post by Diane Merkel on Jul 9, 2005 23:13:05 GMT -6
From a website visitor: I am at the moment researching an article on the Little Big Horn, concentrating on the Irish men who were involved. Would you have any idea of how I could seek information on this topic?
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Post by elisabeth on Jul 19, 2005 5:33:54 GMT -6
Markland's done some great work scanning in the original 7th Cavalry muster rolls; if you go to the Custeriana Queries board, and to the 'Primary Sources' topic, you'll find the link there. A bit easier on the eyes than reading 19th-century handwriting is this: www.friendslittlebighorn.com/7th%20Cav%20Muster%20Rolls.htmIt gives everyone's place of birth, plus whether they were present or not and whether killed/wounded or not. Should give you a start ... Another good place to look might be a website called The Wild Geese Today (sorry, I don't have the web address to hand, but Google will take you there). I'd guess it would cover the whole of your area of interest; it's certainly got an excellent piece by Brian Pohanka on Captain Myles Keogh, who's someone you're sure to want to cover. (The few books on him are out of print and cost a fortune, so the Pohanka piece makes a good short cut!) Hope this helps. P.S. On the muster rolls, you'll see Lt. Nowlan listed as being born in Corfu; don't let that throw you! He's Irish too. (His dad was in the British army, stationed in Corfu.)
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Post by librabook2 on Feb 20, 2009 16:00:41 GMT -6
I was looking for A spot to jump in on my first registrationl. For an Irishman (and the reason I am searching) is Sargeant Martin Considine under Reno. Co. G 7th. I am of the Considine lineage in County Clare, Ireland and I am trying to find information that might tell me if Martin is of the same heritage. Thank you for any assistance. BK
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Post by Diane Merkel on Feb 20, 2009 16:38:21 GMT -6
Welcome, BK! Most of us use a book titled Men with Custer: Biographies of the 7th Cavalry as the starting point for biographical information on the men of the 7th. Unfortunately, there is precious little written about Martin Considine: Rank: Sergeant Assign: Company G LBH: In valley fight - killed Born: 1847, Clare, Ireland Died: June 25, 1876, Little Big Horn
Second enlistment on January 28, 1875, at age 27, in St. Louis, by Lieutenant William Volkmar. He had blue eyes, brown hair, fair complexion, and was 5'7 1/2" tall. Listed as Martin Considine on the battle monument. I hope someone will have additional information for you. Diane
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Post by librabook2 on Mar 7, 2009 16:16:52 GMT -6
Diane: when a foreign national fights in an American war what kind of identification must he have? Say he has been in the country for five years at least. Thanks, Barbara
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Post by markland on Mar 7, 2009 17:49:20 GMT -6
Diane: when a foreign national fights in an American war what kind of identification must he have? Say he has been in the country for five years at least. Thanks, Barbara Barbara, no identification or term of residence were needed (there are stories of recruiting officers enlisting men fresh off the ships which brought them into America.) The enlistee had to pass the physical, supply a name, place of birth and state that he was not a deserter from the American army and the next stop would have been either Jefferson Barracks or Newport Barracks. Billy
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Post by librabook2 on Mar 7, 2009 20:47:45 GMT -6
Billy, thank you for your quick and kind response. Every piece of information helps so much and sends me down another path. Its interesting tho!
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Post by odiochain on Feb 28, 2011 4:39:11 GMT -6
Using Nichols (2000) Edition of "Men with Custer", it looks like 29 of the 32 counties of Ireland were represented on the muster rolls of the Seventh cavalry in June 1876:
Antrim: Thomas ATCHESON (Pvt F); Dennis KERR (Pvt A); Archibald McILHARGEY (Pvt I).
Carlow: Myles Walter KEOGH (Cpt I).
Cavan: George GAFFNEY (Sgt I); Bernard GOLDEN (Pvt M); John McCABE (Pvt B).
Clare: Edward CONNOR (Pvt E); Martin CONSIDINE (Sgt G); James FLANAGAN (Sgt D); Martin KILFOYLE (Pvt); Patrick LYNCH (Pvt I); George M McDERMOTT (Sgt A); Matthew MARONEY (Sgt H).
Cork: Patrick BRUCE (Pvt F); David COONEY (Pvt I); John H COOPER (Pvt H); Michael CROWE (Pvt B); James DRINAN (Pvt A); John M GILBERT (Pvt A); Timothy HALEY (Pvt H); John HENDERSON (Pvt E); Bartholomew MAHONEY (Pvt L); Daniel MAHONEY (Pvt M); John J MAHONEY (Pvt C); William MULLIN (Pvt C); Michael MURPHY (Pvt K); Thomas MURPHY (Pvt K); David J O’CONNELL (Pvt L); Michael REAGAN (Pvt K); Daniel SHEA (Pvt B); Daniel SULLIVAN (Pvt G).
Donegal: Henry BLACK (Pvt H); James BUSTARD (Sgt I); Philip McHUGH (Pvt L).
Down: William McCLURG (Pvt A); William E ROBINSON (Pvt M).
Dublin: Charles BANKS (Pvt F); Michael C CADDLE (Sgt I); John DOLAN (Pvt M); William EADES (Pvt F); Richard FARRELL (Pvt E); John FOLEY [2] (Pvt K); John HACKETT (Pvt G); Robert H HUGHES (Sgt K); Thomas G KAVANAGH (Pvt L); Thomas McCREEDY (Pvt C); David MANNING (Pvt D); Michael MARTIN (1st Sgt D); Thomas F O’NEILL (Pvt G); John SULLIVAN (Pvt A); James WYNN (Pvt D).
Fermanagh: Thomas W STEVENSON (Pvt G).
Galway: John DONAHOE (Saddler M); Michael KEENEY (1st Sgt F); Bernard LYONS (Pvt F); Edward J McKAY (Pvt G); John Edward MITCHELL (Pvt I).
Kerry: Patrick GRIFFIN (Pvt C); William KANE (Pvt C); John J KEEFE (Pvt B); Patrick McDONNELL (Pvt D); John McEAGAN (Pvt G); Lawrence MURPHY (Sgt E).
Kildare: James LAWLER (Pvt G); James P McNALLY (Pvt I); ames MARTIN (Cpl G); Eugene OWENS (Pvt I).
Kilkenny: Andrew HOLAHAN (Pvt K).
Laois: James BROWN (Pvt B); William CASHAN (Sgt L); Patrick DOOLEY (Pvt K); William LALOR (Cpl M).
Leitrim: Joseph H GREEN (Pvt D).
Limerick: Andrew CONNER (Pvt A); Edward DAVERN (Pvt F); Thomas Patrick DOWNING (Pvt I); John McKENNA (Pvt E); Thomas O’BRIEN (Pvt D); William O’RYAN (Pvt H).
Longford: John McGINNIS (Pvt I); Patrick Edward O’CONNOR (Pvt E); Michael J REILLY (Pvt K).
Louth: Thomas Joseph CALLAN (Pvt B).
Mayo: Thomas HUGHES (Pvt H); Patrick KELLY (Pvt F); Francis O’TOOLE (Pvt E).
Meath: Phillip FLOOD (Pvt G).
Monaghan: Patrick McCANN (Pvt E); Thomas MURRAY (Sgt B).
Offaly: James AKERS (Cpl G); Patrick COAKLEY (Pvt K).
Roscommon: John KAVANAGH (Pvt D); James McNAMARA (Pvt H); Daniel NEWELL (Pvt M); Thomas WALSH (Pvt F).
Sligo: Stephen COWLEY (Pvt D); Patrick M GOLDEN (Pvt D); Thomas Wilford HARRISON (Sgt D); John McGLONE (Sgt M); Patrick SIMONS (Pvt B).
Tipperary: Patrick CAREY (Sgt M);Patrick CONNELLY (Sgt H); John F DONOHUE (Pvt K); Jeremiah FINLEY (Sgt C); John NOLAN (Cpl K); John O’NEILL (Pvt B); James SMITH [1] (Pvt E).
Tyrone: James P BOYLE (Pvt G); Charles GRAHAM (Pvt L); George LOYD (Pvt G); Samuel J McCORMICK (Pvt G).
Waterford: John D BARRY (Pvt I); Owen BOYLE (Pvt E); John BRENNAN (Pvt C); Edward C DRISCOLL (Pvt I).
Westmeath: James CARNEY (Pvt F).
Wexford: Michael KEEGAN (Pvt L).
There are two anomalies in these groupings. George M McDERMOTT (Sgt A) [AKA Michael Burke] is listed as being from "Galway, County Clare" (Nichols, 2000: 213) so I have assigned him to County Clare, although he could easily be Galway. William McCLURG (Pvt A) [AKA William Irvine] is listed as born at "Belfast (Nichols 2000: 211) and I have assigned him to County Down, although he could easily be assigned to County Antrim.
Does anyone have any information about the counties of origin of any of any of those who are listed as Irish but without a county being listed?
These are: Cornelius COWLEY (Pvt A); Thomas P EAGAN (Cpl E); William FARLEY (Pvt H); Frank HUNTER (Pvt F); Joseph LADEN (Pvt G); Thomas Francis McELROY (Trumpeter E); John McVAY (Pvt G); Michael P MADDEN (Saddler K); Bernard O’NEILL (Pvt Band); Stephen L RYAN (Pvt B); John SHANAHAN (Pvt G); Michael Joseph WALSH (Pvt H).
My own observations are as follows:
Thomas Francis McELROY (Trumpeter E) is listed as being born at "Neagh" (Nichols 2000: 216). This is possibly a reference to Lough Neagh - as McELROY is a common northern name - but it is also quite possibly a transcription error for Nenagh in County Tipperary.
Michael P MADDEN (Saddler K) is listed as being from "Galcony" (Nichols 2000: 202) and this is possibly a transcription error for Galway.
The three counties not represented were Armagh, Derry and Wicklow and I'd be particularly interested if there is evidence to link any of the others to these counties.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Mar 2, 2011 10:13:05 GMT -6
According to Military Register of Custer's Last Command:
Cornelius Cowley - Cork Francis (Frank) Hunter - Mayo Thomas McElroy - Neagh Michael Peter Madden - Galway Bernard O'Neill - Kilfurboy Stephen L. Ryan - Tipperary John Shanahan - Youghal Michael Joseph Walsh - Balandien
Nothing but "Ireland" for the others.
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Post by odiochain on Mar 3, 2011 3:52:10 GMT -6
As we say in the old tongue, "Go raibh maith agat as do chúnamh" = "thanks for your help", Diane. The place names you give clearly identify Cornelius COWLEY, Francis (Frank) HUNTER, Michael Peter MADDEN and Stephen L. RYAN with their counties of origin. There are no places in Ireland - as far as I'm aware - called "Neagh" or "Kilfurboy". I was able to come up with a couple of plausible suggestions for the former in my previous post but I can't think of anything for the latter. Although there is no place in Ireland called "Balandien" that is almost certainly a reference to Ballindine, County Mayo, the original Irish Gaelic name for which is "Baile an Daighin" and so would identify Michael Joseph WALSH as being from that county. Youghal is in County Cork and that identifies John SHANAHAN as being from there.
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Post by Dark Cloud on Mar 3, 2011 12:07:38 GMT -6
It's KilfArboy.
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Post by odiochain on Mar 4, 2011 3:09:55 GMT -6
Excellent! I'd been all through Seward, William W (1795) "Topographia hibernica", Dublin: Alex Stewart, and come up with Killfaughabhbeg (Cork), Killfera(+beag/bheag) (Killkenny) and Kilfergus[+beag/bheag] (Limerick) as plausibles but none are as convincing as your Kilfarboy (Clare), Darkcloud. Do you have a reference for Bernard O'NEILL as being from Kilfarboy with that spelling?
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Post by markland on Mar 5, 2011 18:06:23 GMT -6
Excellent! I'd been all through Seward, William W (1795) "Topographia hibernica", Dublin: Alex Stewart, and come up with Killfaughabhbeg (Cork), Killfera(+beag/bheag) (Killkenny) and Kilfergus[+beag/bheag] (Limerick) as plausibles but none are as convincing as your Kilfarboy (Clare), Darkcloud. Do you have a reference for Bernard O'NEILL as being from Kilfarboy with that spelling? Odio, do you want a spreadsheet of Irish deaths in the Regular Army, 1848-1890? Email me and I'll send you an Excel spreadsheet of those I have. By the way, the only Bernard O'Neil I have who died did so in 1852. By the way, the spreadsheet only contains deaths in the modern western frontier, i.e., west of the Mississippi and excluding Arkansas. Billy
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Post by odiochain on Mar 7, 2011 8:22:03 GMT -6
That is a very kind offer, Markland, and I have emailed you.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Mar 21, 2011 12:37:11 GMT -6
Don't shoot the messenger! Williams has it as Kilfurboy Ireland.
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