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Post by crzhrs on Jan 3, 2006 9:17:20 GMT -6
Sandoz, as a young girl, had camped with her father among elderly Indians who had been involved in many of the events of the mid-to-late 19th century. She heard many stories about the "old ways" and many of the Indians we discuss on this forum. She later wrote a number of books, including the bio on Crazy Horse, Cheyenne Autumn (excellent), The Battle of the LBH, and several others. She based her stories on what she heard as a young girl, plus many of the Hinman (?) interviews.
Her Crazy Horse bio is an excellent written book--won several honors--based much on He Dog's interviews plus others. Some say it not 100% accurate and embellished by Sandoz.
Regardess it is full of much info regarding the events surrounding CH's life and the events he witnessed and participated in. I highly recommend it and you can decide on the accuracy.
I remember seeing an old interview of her (1966) years afterward and she was very knowledgable about her subjects and what she experienced in speaking to the Old Buffalo Hunters (elderly warriors).
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Post by fred on Jan 3, 2006 10:13:17 GMT -6
Crzhrs--
Thanks. I believe it was the LBH book I read.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 3, 2006 11:05:02 GMT -6
Sandoz' LBH book has the Custer for President story . . . so that book is so-so.
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Post by Treasuredude on Jan 3, 2006 12:48:14 GMT -6
What's w/ Mari Sandoz? I read one of her books some time ago (I no longer have it... DIANE!!! I lost that one, too, in the same divorce!), & I understood her to be one of the pre-eminent historians on the battle. My Custer books are about the only thing I got out of my divorce.
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 3, 2006 13:04:44 GMT -6
Sandoz' CHEYENNE AUTUMN is a must read for the story about the Northern Cheyenne's aftermath of the attack on Dull Knive's village, their time on the reservation, their disenchantment with government promises, their outbreak and escape to get to Red Cloud's Agency.
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Post by Melani on Jan 3, 2006 14:18:11 GMT -6
This is truly great! So "Lakota Noon" and Pennington are now on my "must acquire" list. It's really wonderful to get everyone's different perspectives.
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Post by fred on Jan 3, 2006 16:05:22 GMT -6
Treasuredude--
If that's you in the warbonnet, I can understand why you lost everything but your Custer books. Welcome to the club, my friend.
Crzhrs--
Is the Jimmy Stewart movie, "Cheyenne Autumn" taken from the Sandoz book?
Melani--
Absolutely! Michno's is great. Just beware of the Pennington book. It's long, his writing will dull you to sleep (especially after Michno's which is lively & at times rather funny), & he blasts everybody. Most of the book is spent in taking apart testimony from everyone except PVT Martini & White Cow Bull, & then he dismembers every author he can think of, including Richard Fox. (Michno is the sole exception; Pennington doesn't even wander into THOSE waters). He also has a tendency to MIS-read some of the other's works (Fox, for instance). It is, however, worth the money, the time, & the EFFORT (I think it took me a year to finish.)
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 3, 2006 16:22:09 GMT -6
Fred:
Yes, the movie Cheyenne Autumn was based on Sandoz' book, but I believe she only gave them the title and not the actual story, which Hollywood "revised." While some of the events in the movie were taken from the book (the Cheyenne breakout from the army barracks) many other parts of the book were omitted. And the part with Jimmy Stewart was later added as "comic relief."
I recommend the book as an important part of the Indians' side of the story. No happy ending though.
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Post by Melani on Jan 3, 2006 18:20:27 GMT -6
Just as a strange aside, as I was taking a break from work to visit the forum, I realized that the work-related book at my left hand was "USS Pampanito--Killer Angel"...by Greg Michno. Apparently his dad was in the Pampanito's crew.
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Post by fred on Jan 3, 2006 19:11:58 GMT -6
Crzhrs--
Your word is my command. I'll get the book. And believe me, I know of very few happy endings when it comes to any of our Indian peoples.
Thanks for the primer... I DO appreciate it.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Treasuredude on Jan 3, 2006 23:23:52 GMT -6
Treasuredude-- If that's you in the warbonnet, I can understand why you lost everything but your Custer books. Welcome to the club, my friend. No, that's not me in the warbonnet. That's "Sitting Bull" and my son at the 1999 re-enactment near Hardin.
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Post by d o harris on Jan 4, 2006 13:48:41 GMT -6
I am not a great fan of Sandoz, find her one of the more blatantly biased writers I've ever encountered. Her LBH book is a waste of time to read and a waste of money to buy. However, Cheyenne Autumn is a classic must have, and her book on Crazy Horse stands as a peerless biography of the Oglala warrior, perhaps the best we're ever likely to have.
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Post by d o harris on Jan 4, 2006 14:04:14 GMT -6
For anyone considering "Lakota Noon" I'd recommend first you read every first hand Indian account of the battle that you can get before you begin with Michno. Otherwise, you can be overwhelmed by the organizational technique he uses. It is not a book to be read casually, if you prefer to do your own thinking.
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 5, 2006 8:42:14 GMT -6
d o harris:
< am not a great fan of Sandoz, find her one of the more blatantly biased writers I've ever encountered>
First you say Sandoz is one of the more blatantly biased writers, then praise her for CHEYENNE AUTUMN and CRAZY HORSE. Which is it?
Her LBH book is a worthwhile read, her conclusions/opinions may not be correct but some of her first-hand accounts by Indians is great
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Post by Tricia on Jan 5, 2006 10:45:57 GMT -6
For anyone considering "Lakota Noon" I'd recommend first you read every first hand Indian account of the battle that you can get before you begin with Michno. Otherwise, you can be overwhelmed by the organizational technique he uses. It is not a book to be read casually, if you prefer to do your own thinking. DO-- Actually, I began with Michno ... and I personally found his writing to be quite a source for independent thinking! I did question a few of his conclusions, but as for a handy, well-organised (something I particularly admire) reference, I don't think one can go wrong with it as long as a reader goes into it knowing that there is always a vast amount of speculation when it comes to LBH. Regards, Leyton McLean
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