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Post by johnson1941 on Sept 7, 2023 10:10:54 GMT -6
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Post by herosrest on Sept 7, 2023 10:37:51 GMT -6
Weird... account 2.. "Did you fight Reno?" "No; I only fought the white men soldiers down this way." "Then you know nothing of what happened at the upper end of the village?" "No, I was down among the Cheyennes looking after horses when the first attack was made on our village." account 1 "Reno swept down so rapidly on the upper end that the Indians were forced to fight. Sitting Bull and I were at the point where Reno attacked. Sitting Bull was big medicine. The women and children were hastily moved down stream where the Cheyennes were camped." Important as Astonisher says he was fighting Reno, and would miss intro moves by Custer...not sure if that is true. And this is your subject here(?) "it would appear that Calhoun's men died fighting as skirmishers, while Keogh rallied his company, which was all killed in a bunch." ... "Therefore, Custer personally and those with him were probably the very first ones to fall in the day, and Calhoun and Keogh, taken on both flanks, jammed in between two galling fires and numerous cross fires, and with all possible avenues of escape cut off, had nothing else to do but fight it out in line until the last trooper had fallen in his tracks. Very cool - keep at it! Because of the nature of the post battle blame games and CYA (cover your li'l donkeys), sheenanigans by those ensuring history remembered them fondly; and those ardently protecting friends and family in same vein: we have evolved modelling of events where the entire audience can dive in up to their elbows and decide for themselves which what was which, and where those which's whats were. A lot of it is very bland and obsessed and pedantic in unusual ways. Which ever way I looked, and look, at events of the Custer fight, it was a hungry lunch affair and that began at the river where Maguire dropped his 'B' on us. If you look hard at the evidence found in the ground on the flats which are supposed to have been peppered with army bullets then, that just ain't so. In 1877, there were a lot of dead on that terrain but the bones were removed which is tedious to figure out, but i'm still at it. Gall's account is unusaul, his accounts are not exclusive but he obviously had not slipped into a well worn tale of events at ten years after which to my mind is good. Of course it raises the spectre of interpreters and all that jazz but there is some real meat with the potatoes. I fundamentally reject Ford D as LaLa land from people who wanted to build a museum on that land and the snowball it was just keeps growing in the Montana sun. That annoys those who believe Custer went to Ford D but I say, there's no factual evidence he did, and if he did then he was repeating his attack at Washita. Benteen take a bow - he disobeyed his orders. Gall position in the tribe became political and factional as a rival to Sitting Bull so there were those for and against him but I don't believe that he really cared and was perfectly happy as a ruthless red killing machine. Of course, though, he usually gave Mrs. Spotted Horn Bull wide berth after raising her ire. The Indian accounts are unfortunate but it is truly unusual to have three from the same day. There are others such as McLauglin in 'My Friend the Indian' which is more an overview effort and ignored in mainstream. That is the Indian Agent at Standing Rock - point blank ignored Excluding a march to Ford D, and developing a quick and dirty overwhelm along Battle Ridge is pretty mush what took place. I don't see any significant delay or delays between start and finish with it finished when Weir got on his peak and his sergeant surveyed the terrain. The rest is romantis history. Reno wasn't worth spit in the field and Benteen would not know the truth if Custer force fed him on it. There's an interesting MAP in this book by Burdick, offered purely for Gall's supposed route to Custer. It's interesting - across the river at Reno or so and maybe a ford, and down off Weir to blunt his hatchet. Some of what Burdick gave is just bunkem but I doubt anyone then, at that time was going to argue with him. It's a theory. Regards.
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Post by johnson1941 on Sept 7, 2023 10:42:35 GMT -6
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Post by herosrest on Sept 7, 2023 10:43:19 GMT -6
Suns up in the east. If you read the 'Where Custer Fell' stuff at some point (It is a good book and full of good stuff) but this picture is an eye opener. Barry filmed early in the day.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Sept 7, 2023 14:10:49 GMT -6
Nope, we have a terrorist on the loose running around London. The escape prisoner you mean, well at least London is a huge distance (200 miles) from me, but you never know. Ian
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Post by johnson1941 on Sept 7, 2023 16:26:06 GMT -6
In case you were looking for that dog... This dog, I mean...
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Post by herosrest on Sept 8, 2023 12:04:06 GMT -6
I'm trying to spot Big Beaver, if he's there.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Sept 8, 2023 13:59:46 GMT -6
Looks like an Irish wolf hound.
So did these skirmish lines actually form on in areas known to have skirmish lines? Are they facing the right way? I guess that they are not formed on places we already know skirmish lines where formed.
Ian
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Post by johnson1941 on Sept 9, 2023 10:22:48 GMT -6
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Post by herosrest on Sept 11, 2023 1:19:16 GMT -6
Yup, I made that comparison a decade and more back. It is incorrect.
It is incorrect if you accept Fox, and 'Where Custer Fell' authors, which is Brust, Barnard, and Pohanka. They locate immediately SW of the monument, on the flats near National Cemetery. This is a foundation 'evidence' of Ford D theory and military activity at and beyond the NC towards Ford D, and Kuhlman's Battle Ridge Extension.
You literally have JSiT's 1956 stuff being morphed to adjust theory based upon the suppositions of the 1984 research. Of course Timber passed away in 1967, and was born in 1882, having spent 40 years trying to get markers placed on the ground for Cheyenne's killed during the fighting. The first official request having been made in 1926, as the Burying the Hatchet ceremony was undertaken. That take's some thinking through - his dedication to family and his tribe.
Wolftooth took part in the Fetterman fight, you know.
A similar, to exact view exists as my per my earlier post, that being to the north through the Keogh area from BR in the area of Calhoun. Until I have hi- res to confirm, just take my word. I'll dig out my old imagery if I can find it. Opera, the browser people, used to provide online storage which I linked into posts - then they pulled the plug a few years back. Several expletives resulted on my part and I dumped them.
Great bit of detective work on your part. You obviously have the third eye.
This is pretty deep stuff and flying in the face of archaeology and those spending way to much time on the ground seeing little and with the urge to have what didn't happen, happen.
Regards.
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Post by johnson1941 on Sept 16, 2023 6:53:42 GMT -6
On a related skirimish image... "...On the first line of bluffs back from the river there are two high peaks marked “A” on the map, now called Reno peaks. For some distance south of these there is a high ridge running parallel with the river, but not so high as the peaks Custer’s command passed into the valley of a tributary of Reno Creek just behind this ridge and the peaks and went down it, going in a direction directly north and coming out into the bed of Reno Creek about a mile from its mouth at ford B." Harper, Gordon. The Fights on the Little Horn Companion: Curley with Camp going over Custer's move down South Coulee LBH Archive photo with what looks like Camp's writing and pencil line MAYBE to Reno Peaks??? which c/would be referring to this 'A on map' mentioned above (a map which I can not locate)... BUT the "X" is "monument about here", so what are we looking at? Is X the entire picture?? That would mean this line is also facing East on Custer Ridge.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Sept 16, 2023 7:21:55 GMT -6
I am not sure if it was taken near the Indian monument, or maybe BRE, I think it is facing North-East as AZ Ranger posted a piece a while back about this very picture.
Ian
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