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Post by noggy on Dec 21, 2018 11:34:40 GMT -6
Hello, and merry Christmas in a short while too.
I was re-reading Lakota Noon while "enjoying" a 12 hour long train trip today, and it hit me how Michno doesn`t really hold any punches when it comes to other historians works. Especially Hardorff, Fox and whoever puts Lame White Man`s charge in the GGR area and not near LSH. I do not find it to be too harsh, but compared to more typical academic historians, it`s pretty confrontational.
It would have been great to see them actually having a debate, but I assume that`s not going to happen now. But either way, has there ever been sort of debates / panel discussions? There`s been borderline on-line "wars" between some people, but real organized debates with an audience and a moderator / debate leader? There are so many people I`d love to see discuss points of disagreements.
All the best from the land of cold snow and warm...nothing,
Noggy
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Post by herosrest on Dec 21, 2018 15:14:17 GMT -6
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Post by noggy on Dec 21, 2018 20:08:13 GMT -6
Hehe, this thread reminds of that old classic hip-hop tune "Me against the world" I`ve read many a thread and post both here and on that Rini board during my lurking-days. This was a new one. Either way, DC has always been a guy I`d like to got to chat with, even though he`d also be one to make me drop the polite facade really quick  I still enjoy his posts when stumbling across them All the best, Noggy |
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Post by tubman13 on Dec 23, 2018 5:50:16 GMT -6
Noggy, warm nothing, not even the women? Don't lie! God Bless you this Christmas Season.
Regards,
Tom
PS Lame White Man ended up closer to LSH. |
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Post by noggy on Dec 23, 2018 6:14:21 GMT -6
Noggy, warm nothing, not even the women? Don't lie! God Bless you this Christmas Season.
Regards,
Tom
PS Lame White Man ended up closer to LSH. Not for the moment, no  Yes, I know he fell close to LSH. I was talking about the charge he led. Michno has it around Deep Ravine and comes through as almost upset regarding historians who place it elsewhere (C Comp, GGR). Merry Christmas to you too, Tom. All the best, Geir |
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Post by herosrest on Dec 23, 2018 13:47:03 GMT -6
This discussion is instructive in many ways for a few reasons. You've probably bumped it. Now, here's a thing - Lame White Man. I'm suprised that no-one called him 'Limpy'. It was a popular name. John Stands in Timber was photoraphed on the ground at the rock cairn which marked the chief's 'known' resting place. It would be where he was scalped by Sioux with the ensuing fuss over whether the Cheyennes should wipe out the Sioux in revenge. It was a big thing. It was where the Cheyenne wanted a marker placed since 1925 when formal application was made for that. The cairn site may or may not be where LWM fought but assuming that a 45.50 or two struck home then he was in a bit of a mess before Sioux lifted his hair. The photo of Timber and the cairn is on the Friends website. LWM died in the same event (mounted charge) as Ice's son. The movement was from Deep Coulee terrain and up the west flank of Deep Coulee. We know this from Two Moons. In contemplating this and TM's death in 1917, there is the revisionist problem which attends John Stands in Timber's work. That was the Suicide Boys attack and can be nothing else or disresgard Two Moons. Interesting but of course the suicider's attack brought about the end of the Custer fight. If the artifact evidence is accepted as battle related which is one of the 'if's' which is allowed to linger through a lack of rigorous scientific application, then regardless of opinions and juxtaposed opinion and nonchalance based loosely upon it, significant fighting took place on what is currently being offered as the prominent 'W' spine along the Luce and Nye-Cartwright terrain feature. Was this a series of actions or continuous movement such as a rearguard? Well it doesn't really matter since very few bodies lay there and it is impossible to argue that a movement towards Medicine Tail's coulee left the evidence. The evidence shows movement across Deep Coulee and towards Calhoun Hill. The movement off NC ridge was done in contact - under attack and that attack progressed as far as LWM's cairn. I think that we have craic'd it. A profound modern undertaking has quilted together a lovely fluffy procrastination which is loosely cobbled into ford d theories of aggressive prancing towards and to Willy Bend's bends in the river where is has been posited that John Gibbon crossed the river and discovered the unrecognizable remains of Mark Kellogg on his way to view the battleground. The relic evidence at that end of the field is given today by those active with this matter as evidence of troops on the (National) cemetery ridge after some sort of misadventure at one of the lower western fords. The evidence is overwhelmingly composed of cavalry carbine bullets out to around 1,000 yards down the ravines and ridges running west from Last Stand Hill towards the river at Willy Bend's bends. The distrbution of bullets is clearly understandable as rounds shot high (overs) which have missed targets and flown away down hill ricocheting and tumbling out. I point up further the inane aspect of a supposedly verging upon insanely motivated Custer taking 80, 100 or 200 men to capture hundreds upon hundreds of women, boys and girls and elders and upon reaching a crossing place - turning back for unknown reasons. Custer was not sent to exterminate the hostiles and to effect his mission he simply had to destroy the camp and its property. He had no interest in the capture of what as far as we know ran to thousands of non-combatants who could not be managed and even less interest in scattering or capturing 20,000 horses which would have to have their throats slit. When we consider why Custer moved North there is only one reason - to close up the companies for a defence. Benteen ad been ordered to go quickly to the Big Village and that would be across Ford A where in fact he headed. Reno of course pulled out before Benteen arrived and the two battalions then sat out of sight behind Weir's Hill, hidden from Custer, Keogh and Yates. No one then, or now, knew or knows whether the five companies learned of the retreat from the valley or imagined that Benteen would not go there as ordered. It's an interesting can of condrums but we do know that the hostiles who attacked Custer by riding down the east side of the river from the Reno retreat, did not fight troops on the Nye-cartwrigt terrain. The cavalry there had already moved towards Battle Ridge and that movement was pursued and attacked by the....... Suicide Boys. Jingle Bells Springfield shells, Cheyennes in the grass, You can take your Merry Christmas, Stick it on a tree. Now, I don't know how many follow the local news but the Crow Tribe has found criticism in recent years of their management of Federal Funds. Something of a cleanup of accounting practice is underway with requests to 'stage' repayments of queried allocations and this will be nicely squared away in time for the Department of Transportation investment in the new Rest Area on Crow Land west of the 212. Land on the Battleground owned by association was offered for development but rejected to maintain the integrity of the Battlefield terrain. The $1 million provided to research a new visitor center appears to have come to little with the departure of the last residing Superintendent and that Authority moved away from Little Bighorn. 2019 promises interesting times. Happy New Year. |
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Post by herosrest on Dec 23, 2018 15:38:59 GMT -6
I don't know if any have heard of Bang Mi. They are minor agency providing breaking stories under the ' Silly News' title. Any how, more than 4,000 members of the Crow Tribe were issued land buyback offers totaling $177 million from the U.S. Department of Interior. The offers announced Thursday by Interior are the latest step to return private land to tribal governments. The buyback unwinds 127 years of federal policy dating back to the 1887 Dawes Act, which TOM LUTEY - Billings Gazette Dec 21, 2018 |
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Post by herosrest on Dec 23, 2018 15:47:43 GMT -6
A related article from several days earlier, reports no E.coli in Crow tribe’s drinking water........ For those entirely infatuated with the future, it is going to be searching for environmentally friendly safe solutions to water supply. This is a matter of history which is intricately connected with Liittle Bighorn and the Reno canal which appears to be full of fecal output. Darn cows.... |
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Post by noggy on Dec 24, 2018 21:07:22 GMT -6
This discussion is instructive in many ways for a few reasons. You've probably bumped it. 2019 promises interesting times. Happy New Year. Great link, Hero. I am grateful for all the work you put down regarding LBH, btw. I`m not sure, but are you located in the UK? Either way, Merry Christmas (us heathens don`t believe in him ofc), and a happy New year too. All the best, Noggy |
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Post by herosrest on Dec 25, 2018 7:01:36 GMT -6
This discussion is instructive in many ways for a few reasons. You've probably bumped it. 2019 promises interesting times. Happy New Year. Great link, Hero. I am grateful for all the work you put down regarding LBH, btw. I`m not sure, but are you located in the UK? Either way, Merry Christmas (us heathens don`t believe in him ofc), and a happy New year too. All the best, Noggy Not everyone find's my angles on things to their way of mind but with this battle the broad outlook can only be concern with its breadth rather than quality. It is true history and antithesis on freedom and its responsibility. If you are free, am I also?  Put another way. If you are free then everyone else must be? It's great fun listening to politicians explain this. Lawyers also. I spend some time in UK during visits to Earth and assuming that you worship Thor, will pass on your regards next time we are raising havoc. Be well. |
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I still enjoy his posts when stumbling across them
Put another way. If you are free then everyone else must be? It's great fun listening to politicians explain this. Lawyers also. 
