Keep The Last Bullet For Yourself. By Thomas B. Marquis

[logan]

This book has just been delivered.

Interestingly, inside on the first page is a head-to-waist portrait of Custer, with his right hand tucked into his jacket, button undone, whereas, with my own interest in Durnford, he was wounded in the left arm with an assegai, and for the rest of his life, his arm too was tucked into his jacket as it was useless.

Curious how they are compared to each other often, to see this photograph, right arm instead of Durnford' left arm, though the former was a pose popular at the time I think and not due to injury

[tubman13]

If you like this fro Marquis you should love and learn from Wooden Leg: "A Warrior who Fought Custer". Broader in scope and a better picture of the Centennial Campaign. Also priced right for Kindle readers.

Regards,
Tom

[tubman13]

If that works well for you, you may also "A Cheyenne Voice: The Complete John Stands in Timber Interviews" by Margot Liberty.

Regards,
Tom

[herosrest]

Apr 13, 2018 6:26:19 GMT -6 logan said:

This book has just been delivered.

Interestingly, inside on the first page is a head-to-waist portrait of Custer, with his right hand tucked into his jacket, button undone, whereas, with my own interest in Durnford, he was wounded in the left arm with an assegai, and for the rest of his life, his arm too was tucked into his jacket as it was useless.

Curious how they are compared to each other often, to see this photograph, right arm instead of Durnford' left arm, though the former was a pose popular at the time I think and not due to injury

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Apr 13, 2018 9:10:41 GMT -6 tubman13 said:

If you like this fro Marquis you should love and learn from Wooden Leg: "A Warrior who Fought Custer". Broader in scope and a better picture of the Centennial Campaign. Also priced right for Kindle readers.

Regards,
Tom

The Wooden Leg book is here. Interesting it is and particularly the last two chapters which context Cheyenne opinion and politics. With all the insight and knowledge which developed through his relationship with the Cheyenne in particular, which would have included John Stands in Timber, there was never a single reference or even hint at anything taking place at the lower fords given now Lt. Clark's 'D' appellations. Which is remarkable given that Marquis photographed participants (Limpy) at the Ford where the Cheyenne crossed the river. It was a seminal work and considerably challenged subsequently by Kuhlman and his North to South version of the fight from the Battle Ridge Extension towards Calhoun Hill. That may well have been a part of what took place after some faxhion but modernity is reaping a harvest from later Cheyenne tradition.

It was an interesting battle and its history and the history's history, still being written, is fascinating.

You will find some of Marquis's research here.

One of the battle's little big finds is Big Beaver's map showing where the Cheyennes crossed the river. Blummer, a friend and amateur historian living in the valley, misinterpreted his understanding of where that crossing took place. The Cheyennes crossed the river and swung along it rather than the popular myth which has them moving down the river a considerable way to the area where Gibbon, Terry, Brisbin and Reno camped on the night of 28/29th June 1876.

There is a huge amount to learn. Enjoy.

[logan]

Thanks for the book suggestions. I've got several more Custer and LBH books, but it is difficult financially, when trying to acquire titles for both this and Isandhlwana. I do keep looking and adding when possible, there being a few newer books I'm keen to obtain regarding the former - titles something like 'Why Wasn't Custer Warned', another being all the versions of the battle maps together, 'Supplying Custer' being a third, and finally the illustrated then and now of Custer's 1874 expedition.

Apparently, whilst not able to ride horses myself, when like Durnford one arm is useless, it plays havoc with your balance, especially over rough terrain.

[herosrest]

Apr 14, 2018 4:58:11 GMT -6 logan said:

Thanks for the book suggestions. I've got several more Custer and LBH books, but it is difficult financially, when trying to acquire titles for both this and Isandhlwana. I do keep looking and adding when possible, there being a few newer books I'm keen to obtain regarding the former - titles something like 'Why Wasn't Custer Warned', another being all the versions of the battle maps together, 'Supplying Custer' being a third, and finally the illustrated then and now of Custer's 1874 expedition.

Apparently, whilst not able to ride horses myself, when like Durnford one arm is useless, it plays havoc with your balance, especially over rough terrain.

A worthwhile read, which is not popular for its thrust and conclusions but the research is excellent for inquisitive and analytical minds is W Kent : Massacre, the Custer Cover-Up - reviewed here on the board and despite the negativity it is well worth a read if you can come by a copy. His work on the battle maps is outstanding.

[logan]

I will check it out, money-permitting. As with my Zulu War interest, I do get tired going from one book to the next and it seems to read exactly the same as the last. I want titles that question, within a plausible reason, all aspects of people and battle, not that in itself will be a correct assumption, but the fact elements can be taken into consideration with previously thought notions. I believe that in the written word the same thing can be read 3 or more different ways and interpreted as each reader or writer prefers to fit a pre-chosen opinion.

However, I have no pre-chosen opinion that is so solid, isn't open to being reviewed, added to or beliefs questioned or removed.

A book has to be truly bad or even ridiculous for me to exclude it, even for to end up in the bin, but the more a publication is objected to, rejected completely or to remain in the darkest depths never to be seen again, nor admitted to having been read, then I'll pursue it

[herosrest]

^Ducemus

It is no light weight work and more a devotion than enjoyable read but his thrust bludgeons open the tin of peach delight which is the battle's 'white' recriminations. Where King saw conspiracy was (for me) simply family and friends and colleagues doing the sort of thing that family and friends and colleagues do and do, do in partisan interest. That then offers up those of military ilk into collusions of conspiracy. That does not mean the military is or was corrupt but exposes its self interests.

The 1876 army was under significant threat and legislation was in process to diminish it significantly after the financial distress of 1873 (Jay Cook). Quantitative easing only then took place in tipi's and was unimaginable to the gospel of 'real' money which could be bitten. Paper money was untrusted and discounted in circulation. Seriously interesting times as the 'Purchase' came to fruition and a nation was welded together on the reverse of Custer's Folly.

Be well.

[logan]

That's very interesting, because for the past few years I'm deeply involved in the exact same thing with Durnford and Isandhlwana, with his family (especially his brother Edward who wrote a fantastic book about him) and the military, going further up towards Government policy.

[logan]

I often think to myself, what it would be like if both Custer and Durnford were brought back to life, and met up with each other to discuss both battles and what happened in the aftermath when both were killed.

What a conversation that would be to witness.

I should say that by my involvement, I mean the study of, not actually in the dealings with descendants, etc., though I did have some contact with one of them a few years back, not in connection to the study.

[herosrest]

Legacy is often a stiff upper lip.