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Post by wild on Feb 11, 2017 4:34:48 GMT -6
Did Benteen have a plan? From the moment Martin delivered his message to Benteen we see a pattern of omissions from Benteen which many if not admiring at least defend. Taken all together were these omissions part of a brilliant plan to screw Custer and save the command or were they just part of gigantic sulk. Richard
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Post by herosrest on Feb 11, 2017 5:05:00 GMT -6
Ducemus I have often wondered if his canteen was full.
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Post by dgfred on Feb 28, 2017 15:39:04 GMT -6
His plan was to fix the spelling of his name
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Post by dave on Mar 1, 2017 10:57:43 GMT -6
Richard What omissions are you accusing Benteen of? Please list them for me as I am completely unaware of what they could be.
This is the second time where you have stated Benteen was on "gigantic sulk" during the battle. Exactly what are you basing this erroneous charge upon? Please be specific as I want to understand your reasoning. Regards Dave
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Post by wild on Mar 1, 2017 13:45:32 GMT -6
Hi Dave The thread is superfluous as most of this is covered on the north/south thread. If you want me to list the omissions let me know. Cheers Richard
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Post by dave on Mar 1, 2017 14:25:50 GMT -6
Richard I am not attempting to start anything but am trying to see where you are coming from. Regards Dave
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Post by benteen on Mar 1, 2017 15:50:32 GMT -6
Richard I am not attempting to start anything but am trying to see where you are coming from. Regards Dave Dave, Benteen is to Richard as Custer is to me. And I blame Custer when my golf tournament gets rained out Be Well Dan
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Post by wild on Mar 2, 2017 0:51:55 GMT -6
Dave
I am not attempting to start anything but am trying to see where you are coming from. The mission is supreme and while that is still a going concern everything must be devoted to it. You hold ,I hope I am not doing you an injustice , that there are other concerns and subordinate issues which all ranks are free to undertake without reference to the commanding officer. Here is an example of your position..... Benteen was justified in disobeying Custer's orders Weir was justified in disobeying Benteen's orders. And again Benteen was justified in disobeying Reno's orders. Cheers Richard
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Post by AZ Ranger on Mar 2, 2017 7:23:20 GMT -6
Orders are based on real time situations and can not anticipate every situation. American officers are taught to make the best available decision which could include not following an order if the best available decision is contrary to an order.
Exactly what order did Benteen give to Weir? Did Weir ask permission in Reno Creek or did he move off from the watering place on his own. His pace was slow enough that Benteen caught up with him in a short distance. What order did Benteen give Weir on Reno Hill?
Some things are expected without orders. Did Godfrey need an order to put up a rear guard action when moving from Weir to Reno Hill?
I think an outpost on Weir would be expected if the commanding officers were not so busy taking care of wounded, returning soldiers, blown horses, and ammunition replacement. Other company commanders should have dismounted their troopers and out a line of defense.
I would like to see a comment from an officer such as royalwelsh to see if their is truly a difference in different militaries or does making the best available decision prevail. We all know that if you make a decision and it goes well it is not the same as making a decision that leads to 5 companies being destroyed.
Regards
Steve
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Post by wild on Mar 2, 2017 9:49:19 GMT -6
Hi AZ Define best? Cheers Richard
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Post by wild on Mar 2, 2017 13:17:07 GMT -6
Hi AZ American officers are taught to make the best available decision which could include not following an order if the best available decision is contrary to an order. In practice this means that if a subordinate thinks he has a better idea than the CO he gets to implement his idea yes? cheers Richard
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Post by wild on Mar 3, 2017 2:04:13 GMT -6
Was the Ford D operation dependent on the arrival of Benteen ?
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Post by wild on Mar 3, 2017 8:13:25 GMT -6
Ponder
Benteen could have reached Weir Point at 4.32 approx if he had continued on and not stopped at Reno Hill. Custer was coming under pressure at 4.16. At Weir point Benteen was 2.2 miles distant from Keogh. It might have or it might not have offered an option to Custer but Benteen was obliged missionwise to have provided such an option. [Times are from Grey. I do not have Fred's excellent book to hand.
Cheers Richard
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Post by dgfred on Mar 3, 2017 9:36:15 GMT -6
Was the Ford D operation dependent on the arrival of Benteen ? Did Custer wait?
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Post by wild on Mar 3, 2017 10:09:38 GMT -6
The Ford D scenario has Keogh awaiting the arrival of Benteen
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