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Post by Yan Taylor on Jul 18, 2016 8:50:56 GMT -6
Well do you mind acting like one, as you must be an auld git as I am only seven years off retirement.
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Post by dave on Jul 18, 2016 8:59:19 GMT -6
Brother Dave I am too old to play fair anymore. I will use my 12 gauge Ole Browning Pump with "double-aught" shot and not bother counting as only fools play by the rules when it comes down to counting the short hairs. There were several duels, the 1800's in and around where I live as Mississippians practiced the "Bloody Code" as much if not more than others.
Alexander Keith McClung of Vicksburg, known as the "Black Knight of the South" dueled with 7 members of the same family and was rumored to have been in other duels. He evidently was a troubled man as he later took his own life. One's sense of honor was governed by the morals of the day which required that no slight would be tolerated and must be avenged by a duel. Some men became so addicted to the thrill of facing death that they would intentionally offend a man to create another opportunity to face death. Regards Dave
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jul 18, 2016 9:02:54 GMT -6
Montrose, "show gross ignorance of the dynamics of combat"? What are you talking about" Do you even understand my point? The arrogance is in your response to a rhetorical comment. Try stepping outside of your faux combat skin and digest what I said. Robb Try contributing something useful Robb. Your comments aren't as cute as you think. Maybe you should try stepping outside. Regards Benteeneast
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Post by quincannon on Jul 18, 2016 11:03:36 GMT -6
Gentleman look upon this, another vet pretender, as being a toxin introduced to your morning corn flakes with malice of intent. Your innards will rumble about for awhile, but one good heathy crap will rid you of the discomfort. You may even wish to use the facilities next door. It is open I hear, but there is no toilet paper available for those who only wish to smear their crap around the walls. We tend to keep our house free of those who drop turds about the place, especially pretend vet turds
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Post by edavids on Jul 18, 2016 12:22:24 GMT -6
Lost in all of this is the fact that Jodak is putting up some fine posts in the thread leading up to Pearl Harbor. Thank you J! Montrose, I am still interested in what you might be willing to share from your own professional experience in dealing with poorly trained troops and/or newbies. This thread started as a discussion about poorly trained troops and their lack of weapon skills, with a series of events placing them in extremis.
Thank you for your contributions to this board and to rhis country.
Best,
David
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Post by tubman13 on Jul 18, 2016 12:37:10 GMT -6
So right, David, this thread started by asking about troopers shooting high. A number of posts attempted to address this question, before Spanky's boy chimed in. And you are so right Jodak, is doing fine work, that makes for an enjoyable read.
Regards, Tom
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Post by tubman13 on Jul 18, 2016 14:47:27 GMT -6
Rob(Spanky's Boy),
I have seen his act too and it does not wear thin as your act has. In fact, when you compare his act to your act, his is a very class act.
Regards, Tom
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Post by dave on Jul 18, 2016 21:20:34 GMT -6
If anyone can figure out the last post by Pequod please share with me. The word vitriol is being bandied about by the wrong participant. Yan has been valuable contributor to this board as compared with Pequod or myself. He has developed and produced a web site that is outstanding! What have you added to the discussion Pequod?
My word, we have enough pretenders on these sites who portray themselves as they wished to be compared to what they are. I am an ole retiree who claims no expertise or valuable skills yet I enjoy sharing in discussions with other posters who have been very gracious when I misspeak or make errors. Pequod why do you participate by making snarky comments and no contributions? Just curious? Regards Dave
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Post by tubman13 on Jul 19, 2016 5:04:36 GMT -6
tubman13 & quincannon, But you're both "acting" and not being authentic; there is a difference that would escape your tunnel vision. Perhaps it's a failure of imagination on your part, that no amount of vitriol will be able repair. But you're both doing the best you can under the circumstances and given the subject matter (the LBH) you address. Robb Robb,
Tunnel vision? I prefer to call it focus, as before your nonsense most here were attempting to focus on the thread. As far as vitriol my scrip ran out. I can't speak for quincannon, but what you have gotten from me is authentic, for good or bad.
Regards, Tom
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Post by Yan Taylor on Jul 19, 2016 5:27:07 GMT -6
Thank you Dave, you and Tom are indeed top men. That last post by Robb (which was directed at me), was so cryptic that it does not warrant a response.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jul 19, 2016 5:37:35 GMT -6
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jul 19, 2016 5:42:43 GMT -6
Off to Phoenix today to instruct officers transitioning from a Sig 226 to a Sig 320 with attached light. There will be lots of empty gun draws, firing from the ready position, and drawing and firing. Toward evening the use of the light will be included in the training. The total rounds will be close to 300 rounds per officer.
Regards
AZ Ranger
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jul 19, 2016 5:51:19 GMT -6
tubman13 & quincannon, But you're both "acting" and not being authentic; there is a difference that would escape your tunnel vision. Perhaps it's a failure of imagination on your part, that no amount of vitriol will be able repair. But you're both doing the best you can under the circumstances and given the subject matter (the LBH) you address. Robb Robb,
Tunnel vision? I prefer to call it focus, as before your nonsense most here were attempting to focus on the thread. As far as vitriol my scrip ran out. I can't speak for quincannon, but what you have gotten from me is authentic, for good or bad.
Regards, Tom
Having met Tom it clearly points out to me that Robb has no basis for the statements he makes. That makes him a candidate for Spanky's gang and a member in good standing. Front sight focus is an important part of handgun expertise and something Robb most likely doesn't understand. Regards AZ Ranger
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Post by tubman13 on Jul 19, 2016 5:58:27 GMT -6
Speaking of tunnel vision, The Springfield carbine has a rather short sight radius as compared to the rifle, with the same ramp sight. The rifle obviously had best accuracy, the 26" model(often called the officers model)next, then the carbine.
Hollywood is great at making war seem so simple and strait forward. It makes the watcher believe that people kill each other because they are told, because it is kill or be killed, the enemy is hated or whatever. Hollywood tries to make us believe that all soldiers fire at each other, desperately attempting to hit and kill each other. While there is some truth in the matter, it is mostly wrong.
An excellent book to read on this subject is “On Killing : The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society” by Dave Grossman. I highly recommend you read this book as it goes into great detail on the subject.
"When most people talk about killing, they are like virgins talking about sex. You can talk about it all day, you can fully understand the mechanics involved but when the time comes there is so much more involved than the person thought.
When bullets start flying emotions start running high and that can have a powerful effect on how a person sees things. Five hundred combatants can see five hundred different things. In war every fighter will likely see things differently. The movies like to make people think that the world is black and white, not different shades of gray.
A look at history might help illustrate what I am talking about. In World War Two, it is a fact that only 15-20 percent of the soldiers fired at the enemy. That is one in five soldiers actually shooting at a Nazi when he sees one. While this rate may have increased in desperate situations or with different units, in most combat situations soldiers were reluctant to kill each other. The Civil War was not dramatically different nor were any previous wars."
The above quotes come from the above mentioned book. Very few rounds were used for practice during the period of the Indian Wars. As stated earlier in this thread, the point of hold is critical when shooting at an elevated target or a target at a lower level than the shooter, as in both cases you must hold lower to strike your target where you want. Simple geometry tells the farther from the target you are the higher the bullet will fly. Also fire control seems to have been lacking throughout most of 6/25/76.
Regards, Tom
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Post by quincannon on Jul 19, 2016 8:18:21 GMT -6
Were you to know the truth about me Pequod, as the others here that you have maligned do, you would know that I have little personal use of firearms. They are, nor is the keeping or study of, of very little value in my daily life. I have very specific, and dare say liberal views on such things as requiring training, background checks, and realistic restrictions upon when, who, and where to carry.
That said, these people friends of mine all, do not share many if any of those views. The point here though is that all of them are discussing an issue that is a peripheral, but still important in the discussion of this battle. That discussion should be allowed to carry on, in spite of you being a cheap shot artist and not a very good one at that.
The other issue is you claim of military service. As I told another of your ilk recently, you can always tell the pretender. They always fail to shine the back side of their belt buckle. They throw out a term or two, but pay no attention to detail. Detail, and the lack of attention you pay to it marks you as a pretender by your own hand.
As to me acting, and not being authentic, what do you find as such in what little I have said to you. When I called you an ignorant swine. there was absolutely no acting or lack of authenticity to it, you are an ignorant swine.
Now why don't you return to Spanky's Hotel d' Pretention et Fabrication and leave decent people be to discuss the pursuits they are interested in.
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