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Post by Pvt G Pyle on Mar 31, 2016 15:11:19 GMT -6
Hello, I am trying to do some research on a ROBY saber that was GAC's The blade is heavily scrolled with USA etched on one side the other has the initials A.C.M.P. scrolled in the middle of the blade. If anyone can shed some light on the initials it would be most appreciated.
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Post by tubman13 on Mar 31, 2016 16:58:17 GMT -6
Are you sure this is Custer's Saber? Is the Saber an 1840 or 1860. Is the MFG date on sword? What are the inspector's initials? If Custer's, could it have been taken by him from a former USA officer? Sabers were handed over upon surrender as you know. The 1860 saber was lighter than the 1840, some preferred the heft. Sorry for the questions and no answer.
Regards, Tom
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Post by Pvt G Pyle on Mar 31, 2016 18:36:20 GMT -6
Hi Tom, Yes this is for sure one of Custers sabers. Here are other photos.
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Post by Pvt G Pyle on Mar 31, 2016 18:44:11 GMT -6
And I left out this one.
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Post by tubman13 on Apr 1, 2016 4:25:28 GMT -6
G. Pyle, A.C. could be Armstrong Custer or Autie Custer, as both were terms used by friends and family. M.P., not my pal, I'm sure. Have you tried the library/museum in Monroe or the library at Hudson High? Maybe Chip Custer through the LBHA. Might be good starting points.
Regards, Tom
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Post by tubman13 on Apr 1, 2016 4:38:58 GMT -6
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Post by fred on Apr 1, 2016 14:09:50 GMT -6
I mentioned this to my beautiful daughter-in-law who is extremely knowledgable of bladed instruments, though I am not sure she specializes in this era. She does, however, have all sorts of contacts and she will look around. Hopefully she can come up with something.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Beth on Apr 2, 2016 2:17:24 GMT -6
What is the provenance on the sword that makes you certain it belonged to Custer. There is nothing with that engraving really connects it directly to Custer. For example at first glance those tents look like teepees but I suspect they are sibley tents. Also I found a Union officer who actually has the initials ACMP Alexander Cummings McWhorter Pennington JrYou might want to take a look at this page link which shows a Roby sword with extremely similar markings and engraving. I've also found a Foot officer's sword that is similar. If you want to get more information about the sword I suggest you include a picture of the hilt, hand guard as well as the length of the blade which would make it a whole lot easier to identify which type of sword it is. More information about Roby link
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Post by Beth on Apr 2, 2016 2:34:03 GMT -6
I found a picture of Pennington with a sword in hand. No telling though if it is the same sword. link Pennington is the one furthest to the right. And a couple other officers who posed for a picture at Fair Oaks link
One final picture, notice the similarity of the artillery gun crew soldier and the person to the far left on the photo of the scabbard. Link
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Post by fred on Apr 2, 2016 5:42:04 GMT -6
Great work, Beth... really great work!!!
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by Beth on Apr 2, 2016 5:51:19 GMT -6
Pennington is a pretty interesting guy. He left the US Army to join the 3rd New Jersey Cavalry who were a Hussar unit also called the Butterflies because of their elaborate Hussar uniforms,
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Post by tubman13 on Apr 2, 2016 6:20:43 GMT -6
Great work, Beth... really great work!!! Best wishes, Fred. Fred, This girl(sexist me, besides she is younger than us)does good work. She can be a real bulldog when she goes after something. Very much results oriented. I still hope she turns up at the LBH this year.
Regards, Tom
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Post by tubman13 on Apr 2, 2016 6:29:54 GMT -6
Pennington, is an interesting study, continued in the RA and retired in 1899 as BG. Then re-upped for the Spanish-American War as a BG of Vol. Passed in 1917
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Post by tubman13 on Apr 2, 2016 6:32:21 GMT -6
And by the way served under Custer in the Valley Campaign.
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Post by Beth on Apr 2, 2016 14:24:41 GMT -6
Great work, Beth... really great work!!! Best wishes, Fred. Fred, This girl(sexist me, besides she is younger than us)does good work. She can be a real bulldog when she goes after something. Very much results oriented. I still hope she turns up at the LBH this year.
Regards, Tom
Thanks for the high praise. I love to find answers because search is so fun. Unfortunately I will not be able to make it to LBH. I've been putting off making a decision because I might have to have back surgery however my daughter called on Wednesday to tell me she really thought we needed to make a trip to Iowa to see my mother 'one more time'. She has failing health and Sam was concern at how much Mom had changed from Sam's stay with Grandma at Thanksgiving and then at spring break.
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