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Post by herosrest on Feb 8, 2016 10:40:00 GMT -6
HR, My rude post to you was probably uncalled for, as much as your dumping a picture in this thread abut a new book. If you were just looking for attention, which it seems, you got it. You know, full well, that picture had absolutely nothing to do with the book or writer. DucemusThank you. Compare the presenter in the video's - try no 3, with the image.
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Post by herosrest on Feb 8, 2016 10:41:40 GMT -6
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Post by fred on Feb 8, 2016 11:25:35 GMT -6
Beth,
Which picture? The one with President Obama?
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Feb 8, 2016 12:12:47 GMT -6
HR
That is not Steve Adelson nor is Libby in that picture.
Regards
AZ Ranger
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Post by Beth on Feb 8, 2016 15:16:20 GMT -6
Beth, Which picture? The one with President Obama? Best wishes, Fred. The one with Obama that includes a number of other people that are obviously part of Dr. Joseph Medicine Crow's party. linkI found it was taken on August 12, 2009 and comes from the White House photostream but I can't find any list of the names of the people in it. BTW the more I look for the information, the more I have grown to admire Dr. Medicine Crow. A very brave and admirable person.
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Post by dave on Feb 8, 2016 16:32:54 GMT -6
Beth Imagine the grief he endured in the service with name calling like chief etc. To add to his burden was the fact he was a college graduate when most had High School degrees or not a degree at all. That he completed the requirements to be a Warrior Chief in the Crow tribe sure speaks volumes. He is a great American and a treasure to Native Americans as well as all Americans. Regards Dave
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Post by AZ Ranger on Feb 8, 2016 17:34:55 GMT -6
I got the book and DVD today. Although Tom and I only saw a few of Steve's poems I knew they would paint pictures in my mind. A great book with a different approach to the battle. A poem written for individual participants.
No notes to take and comparisons to make sit down and enjoy. Good job my friend.
For those attending the Battlefield in the summer you can hear both Steve Adelson and Michael Donahue give there interpretations of the battle. Well worth making the time to see and hear them.
Regards
AZ Ranger
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Post by Beth on Feb 8, 2016 22:13:20 GMT -6
After watching the DVD I will make the best effort to catch both men's presentation. Adelson is a very dynamic speaker and his graphics helped me to sort out more of Reno's move down the valley. Fred gives excellent illustrations in his book but I was unable to picture it in action. Both gentlemen have slightly different variations but have a lot of common ground.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Feb 9, 2016 7:03:04 GMT -6
I think Adelson wanted to make the individuals come alive and have the reader get a snapshot of them and their life including the battle. There is a big difference between trying to figure out where Martin got the message or what path he took and Martin the bugler as a man.
Some times I get overwhelmed trying to figure out simple things and Steve's book brings it back to reality for me. These were all individuals with individual stories involved with each for a short period of time in their life or death.
Gall and "With a Hatchet " in the book strikes home to anyone who a has family that they would fight for. It also shows the hero to zero side of life. Warrior to reservation.
It also gives you an incentive to get it right in figuring out things.
Regards
Steve Andrews
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Post by fred on Feb 9, 2016 8:52:53 GMT -6
I will buy Steve's book when I am there in June.
Steve gave me and my buddies a tour of the valley back in 2009, and it was really good. I am not sure what his overall view of the fight is-- and we disagreed over his interpretation of the Sivertson's horse business, but that wasn't Steve's fault as others identified the horse as such and it was those others who were wrong: another incorrect legend arising!!!-- but I like Steve and he does a great job.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Feb 9, 2016 9:52:35 GMT -6
I will buy Steve's book when I am there in June. Steve gave me and my buddies a tour of the valley back in 2009, and it was really good. I am not sure what his overall view of the fight is-- and we disagreed over his interpretation of the Sivertson's horse business, but that wasn't Steve's fault as others identified the horse as such and it was those others who were wrong: another incorrect legend arising!!!-- but I like Steve and he does a great job. Best wishes, Fred. Fred I don't agree with some of his overall view of the fight but I like how he tells it. I am pretty much firm on my opinion of the best timeline. For that work I thank you Regards Steve
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Post by fred on Feb 9, 2016 10:19:51 GMT -6
I am pretty much firm on my opinion of the best timeline. For that work I thank you Believe me, Steve, it is I thanking you. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by montrose on Feb 9, 2016 10:37:35 GMT -6
1. I think the comments on individual skills and abilities is brilliant.
But why not look at organizations and capability above the individual, and see how it impacts battle between two opponents with different organizational designs.
2. Scale.
Individual. Small group. 2-30. Non permanent for both sides Large Group. Company for US, warrior societies for Indians. Field grade, meaning managing 2 or more large groups. For the US this means the term battalion, unique to that era. The Indians also had an equivalent organization, though it has no name. Indian operations and battles show this element in hundreds of battles. The problem with temporary task forces, for both sides, is lack of formal authority. Pay attention on where authority goes under the two sides organizational designs. With the US it falls back on companies. With the Indians, it falls back on individuals. Advantage here is US. Brigade and above. US had a system for brigade, division, corps, Army. The Indians did not. Both sides had serious organizational design and operational issues at this level.
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