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Post by dave on Jan 13, 2016 18:19:53 GMT -6
Fred I must ask a simple question? How in the world did you keep all the Indian participants names separated? There are so many names that begin with Black, Crazy, Crow, White and so on. I would have certainly lost my mind and just drank beer and thrown the whole thing out. I suppose you are a man with great patience. Great book and an excellent reference source for all things Little Big Horn related. Regards Dave
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Post by fred on Jan 13, 2016 18:47:17 GMT -6
Fred I must ask a simple question? How in the world did you keep all the Indian participants names separated? There are so many names that begin with Black, Crazy, Crow, White and so on. I would have certainly lost my mind and just drank beer and thrown the whole thing out. I suppose you are a man with great patience. Great book and an excellent reference source for all things Little Big Horn related. Regards Dave Dave, As I think back on it, it was not easy. There was a lot of cross-referencing and that helped. Some duplicate names would pop up, but when you tracked them down one guy would be in one place while the same-named individual was somewhere else, so that helped. The real challenge was with the new stuff: I use only a small Mac PowerBook and when I had to read the hand-written census forms, then transcribe every name, age, and relationship into an Excel spreadsheet, well, that took some doing. There were some 12,000 names that had to be culled down. I think there were only about 22 names per sheet, and I had them all on disks. While the handwriting was beautiful 115 years ago, it was sometimes almost impossible to tell the difference with some letters. It meant digging into other sheets and comparing similar swirls, etc. If you notice in Appendix H, there may even be one or two entries where we know of a person, but could not figure the precise name. Then there were the torn sheets, the blotted sheets.... And as always, Dave, my sincerest thanks for your very kind words. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by dave on Jan 13, 2016 19:57:09 GMT -6
Fred I for one appreciate your dedicated pursuit of identifying all Little Big Horn participants. I attempt to plow through the names but after 10 to 15 Black something my eyes cross. I take my time and reread the names trying to broaden my knowledge but honestly reading Strategy is much easier.
I do enjoy your maps and your cartographer did a splendid job. Regards Dave
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Post by fred on Jan 13, 2016 20:06:05 GMT -6
... your cartographer did a splendid job. My baby daughter, Dori. I provided her with the regular USGS topos, she photoshopped everything out of them and put in what I asked her for. I agree: she did a marvelous job. Thanks again. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by dave on Jan 15, 2016 12:47:20 GMT -6
Fred I have a couple of questions regarding the Sioux scouts that rode with Custer if you don't mind.
1) Each of the men you have listed were married to Arikara women prompting the question, were the Sioux like the Jews in that they had/have a matrilineal inheritance society?
2) Did the men who married women from other tribes go and live with his wife's tribe?
3) Did the Blackfeet band have difficulties with other Sioux bands that would encourage them to turn on their own people?
I hope these questions are not in my mind only but that others may be inquiring minds also. Regards Dave
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Post by fred on Jan 15, 2016 18:09:13 GMT -6
I have a couple of questions... if you don't mind. Dave, why would I mind? Not sure how to answer that question. I think you need to be more explicit. Yes. And even within the tribe. Not that I am aware of. Do not, however, confuse the Blackfeet Sioux with the Blackfoot Indians. They are two completely different tribal groupings, much the same difference as comparing the Crow to the Cheyenne. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by dave on Jan 15, 2016 18:23:31 GMT -6
Fred Please forgive the clumsy question:
1) Each of the men you have listed were married to Arikara women prompting the question, were the Sioux like the Jews in that they had/have a matrilineal inheritance society?
I am asking if in the Dakota Indian society was a person's tribal membership determined by the mother's antecedents? In Jewish society a child of a Jewish mother is Jewish. I am trying to understand if the reason for the Dakota scouts that worked for Custer did so because they joined their wive's tribe the Arikara upon marriage or if they just fell out with their tribesmen and turned on them? Regards Dave
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Post by fred on Jan 15, 2016 18:59:09 GMT -6
I am asking if in the Dakota Indian society was a person's tribal membership determined by the mother's antecedents? In Jewish society a child of a Jewish mother is Jewish. I am trying to understand if the reason for the Dakota scouts that worked for Custer did so because they joined their wive's tribe the Arikara upon marriage or if they just fell out with their tribesmen and turned on them? The former: because they married Arikara women. Also, do not forget, they were Dakota, not Lakota. Still Sioux, but a different branch. I outline the difference at the beginning of Section III. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by tubman13 on Jan 18, 2016 12:41:14 GMT -6
All, Anyone who does not have this book is missing out. Since I received Fred's "Participants"(1st edition) I have re-read JSIT, Mary Liberty's new version, Marquis "A Warrior Who Fought Custer", Grinnell's "The Fighting Cheyenne", among others. Fred's book is a valuable tool, can be used to tie much together. Thanks, Fred.
Regards, Tom
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Post by fred on Jan 18, 2016 12:51:30 GMT -6
Thank you, Thomas. As always, you are way too kind. I guess this means I will be paying for the beer in Rapid City. You better be there!!!!!
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by dave on Jan 21, 2016 18:50:34 GMT -6
I have finished my rereading and studying of Participants and must say how much I appreciate Fred's scholarship and study. It is absolutely amazing that anyone could collect, correlate and present so much information in a scholarly manner that is easily readable by the experienced and novice both. Well Done, Fred, Well Done. Regards Dave
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Post by fred on Jan 22, 2016 7:30:20 GMT -6
As always, Dave, thank you. I am delighted you like it, but hope even more, it remains of use.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by fred on Feb 4, 2016 9:03:39 GMT -6
Well, lo and behold, the first printing of this book is already sold out. Out only a month, it is going into a second printing already.
My thanks and very great appreciation to all of you who have purchased it.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by herosrest on Feb 4, 2016 9:47:20 GMT -6
Ducemus
Hi fred. Curiosity - How does electronic sales side of things work out for you. Numbers of sales. Is it a popular format?
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Post by fred on Feb 4, 2016 10:24:22 GMT -6
Hi fred. Curiosity - How does electronic sales side of things work out for you. Numbers of sales. Is it a popular format? It is not a good format for Strategy, simply because the timelines are way too small. They are difficult enough to read in the print version; almost impossible in the electronic. Participants is a different matter, and every time I get a report from the publisher it shows electronic sales. Still and all, the print version does much better. Remember as well, McFarland is a high end, academic, and boutique publishing company and their prices generally tend to be very high. This last one isn't so bad, but the original hardcover edition was $75 U. S. Strategy, remarkably, has not been discounted... yet... other than for shipping or a couple of dollars. Usually, after one year, prices drop dramatically. I guess that means it is doing fairly well. So I guess I need to make a comparison between the two versions. You have given me a good idea. Thanks. Best wishes, Fred.
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