Post by herosrest on Feb 1, 2016 13:01:23 GMT -6
Ducemus
Since the issue of the 28 or 22 dead and buried in a ravine, but which ravine? is current again, and remember that a whole ton of post holes dug all over Deep Ravine showed absolutely nothing there - lets, for a moment reconsider - which ravine. An alternative which has curried favour at times, and certainly offered by Michno with the assistance of various participant tactical thinking about what was found and seen after the fight, offers Cemetary Ravine.
Long time ago, around the time I was researching how smelted silver bullion was moved by stage coach, before the rail line was put in, I did some study of the Maguire map and concluded that Maguire, either p'd off Becker, or seriously distracted him because he was a very good topographer. Maybe, somehow, the scaling of the map at left and right quadrants went a little awry. One day, i will work out where the Nez Perce stashed 30 tons of silver bullion.
See -
In modern times, long after, US 212 cuts straight across that ravine. Don't ask me, just look at the maps.
Yawn........... Some consideration of the fighting at Garryowen as reported and related by AEO, Lt. McClernand who began the Maguire map.
About half a mile below the ford Reno formed the column of fours into line, with the scouts on the left flank, and about a mile further on deployed the battalion as skirmishers. The enemy, whose numbers constantly increased, retired in good order, firing occaisionally, but making no earnest attempt to check the advance of the troops. It was probably about this time that Custer was seen, by some members of Reno's command, on the bluffs waving his hat, as reported by Lt. Wallace to General Terry.
McClernand was among the first to visit the fatal field where Custer fell, and superintended the making of a considerable portion of the map thereof that will be found with the report of Lt. Maguire printed with the report of the Chief of Engineers of the Army for 1876. McClernand started the survey immediately upon completion of the short march with Wallace and Hare to the foot of 'Reno's Hill' and instructed his assistant, Sgt. Becker, as to the gound to be covered. He commenced work at once and had covered about one third of the territory concerned, when Gen. Terry relieved McClernand as assistanr engineer officer and the task continued under Maguire. McClernand was re-instated as AEO once the map was completed.
Wallace and Hare met Terry's advance on the 27th, and led the way to Reno Hill. Where is Custer? they were asked. Wallace replied, "The last we saw of him he was going along that high bluff toward the lower end of the village. He took off his hat and waved to us. General Terry's eyes filled with tears.
Wallace and Hare indicated where the fight in the valley commenced, and of the opening between the timber and hills to the west, through which the command first saw the camp. I am forced to an opinion, (oh really!)....
It is said that as Reno's Battalion moved down the valley from the ford where it first crossed, the Indians began driving the loose ponies down the stream. McClernand was told the rapidly moving herds raised a great cloud of dust.
McClernand was of the opinion that Reno was no leader, and very poor at that, in fleeing battle to survive by providence of the actions of his commander and Benteen being available to join him. Failure by Reno to immediately unite the disparate units of the regiment after his retreat across the river, clearly shows the major's clear and utterly confused intent upon paniced suicide and his own destruction.
We learn from McClernand that Wallace knew of Custer's movement along the bluffs by the time the battalion was dismounting in the valley. This was stated by Wallace, to McClernand, in the LBH valley, on 27th June 1876; before Wallace knew the five companies perished. Lovely, and we know that it was not Custer who was hat waving.
We is being surrounded here, let's run away and be surrounded somewhere else! Military genius without rival.
McClernand was misled into the common battle fallacy, and Reno's fantasy, that hordes of warriors ran ahead of his advance darting in and out of billowing clouds of dust to suck him into a ditch filled with hundreds on warriors who would have been trampled, in ambush. In fact, a few brave young horse minders stuck to their guns, did their duty, and saved the tribes horses from capture and destruction of their centre of gravity. No ditches full of crippled Dakota ponies running ahead of Reno, were there. Well done lads, you prevented disaster and were incredibly brave little boys. It was a pity about Deeds - related to Sitting Bull, he was.
We have Stab waving his hat. The Ree scouts waving their hats. Bouyer waved his, according to Curley. Other's believed that Custer waved his hat. All this occured on the bluffs. Next time you are up there, you know what to do.
I wonder what Mr Nightengale has too say? Let's ask, shall we?
Since the issue of the 28 or 22 dead and buried in a ravine, but which ravine? is current again, and remember that a whole ton of post holes dug all over Deep Ravine showed absolutely nothing there - lets, for a moment reconsider - which ravine. An alternative which has curried favour at times, and certainly offered by Michno with the assistance of various participant tactical thinking about what was found and seen after the fight, offers Cemetary Ravine.
Long time ago, around the time I was researching how smelted silver bullion was moved by stage coach, before the rail line was put in, I did some study of the Maguire map and concluded that Maguire, either p'd off Becker, or seriously distracted him because he was a very good topographer. Maybe, somehow, the scaling of the map at left and right quadrants went a little awry. One day, i will work out where the Nez Perce stashed 30 tons of silver bullion.
See -
In modern times, long after, US 212 cuts straight across that ravine. Don't ask me, just look at the maps.
Yawn........... Some consideration of the fighting at Garryowen as reported and related by AEO, Lt. McClernand who began the Maguire map.
About half a mile below the ford Reno formed the column of fours into line, with the scouts on the left flank, and about a mile further on deployed the battalion as skirmishers. The enemy, whose numbers constantly increased, retired in good order, firing occaisionally, but making no earnest attempt to check the advance of the troops. It was probably about this time that Custer was seen, by some members of Reno's command, on the bluffs waving his hat, as reported by Lt. Wallace to General Terry.
McClernand was among the first to visit the fatal field where Custer fell, and superintended the making of a considerable portion of the map thereof that will be found with the report of Lt. Maguire printed with the report of the Chief of Engineers of the Army for 1876. McClernand started the survey immediately upon completion of the short march with Wallace and Hare to the foot of 'Reno's Hill' and instructed his assistant, Sgt. Becker, as to the gound to be covered. He commenced work at once and had covered about one third of the territory concerned, when Gen. Terry relieved McClernand as assistanr engineer officer and the task continued under Maguire. McClernand was re-instated as AEO once the map was completed.
Wallace and Hare met Terry's advance on the 27th, and led the way to Reno Hill. Where is Custer? they were asked. Wallace replied, "The last we saw of him he was going along that high bluff toward the lower end of the village. He took off his hat and waved to us. General Terry's eyes filled with tears.
Wallace and Hare indicated where the fight in the valley commenced, and of the opening between the timber and hills to the west, through which the command first saw the camp. I am forced to an opinion, (oh really!)....
It is said that as Reno's Battalion moved down the valley from the ford where it first crossed, the Indians began driving the loose ponies down the stream. McClernand was told the rapidly moving herds raised a great cloud of dust.
McClernand was of the opinion that Reno was no leader, and very poor at that, in fleeing battle to survive by providence of the actions of his commander and Benteen being available to join him. Failure by Reno to immediately unite the disparate units of the regiment after his retreat across the river, clearly shows the major's clear and utterly confused intent upon paniced suicide and his own destruction.
We learn from McClernand that Wallace knew of Custer's movement along the bluffs by the time the battalion was dismounting in the valley. This was stated by Wallace, to McClernand, in the LBH valley, on 27th June 1876; before Wallace knew the five companies perished. Lovely, and we know that it was not Custer who was hat waving.
We is being surrounded here, let's run away and be surrounded somewhere else! Military genius without rival.
McClernand was misled into the common battle fallacy, and Reno's fantasy, that hordes of warriors ran ahead of his advance darting in and out of billowing clouds of dust to suck him into a ditch filled with hundreds on warriors who would have been trampled, in ambush. In fact, a few brave young horse minders stuck to their guns, did their duty, and saved the tribes horses from capture and destruction of their centre of gravity. No ditches full of crippled Dakota ponies running ahead of Reno, were there. Well done lads, you prevented disaster and were incredibly brave little boys. It was a pity about Deeds - related to Sitting Bull, he was.
We have Stab waving his hat. The Ree scouts waving their hats. Bouyer waved his, according to Curley. Other's believed that Custer waved his hat. All this occured on the bluffs. Next time you are up there, you know what to do.
I wonder what Mr Nightengale has too say? Let's ask, shall we?