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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 29, 2017 10:02:16 GMT -6
tubman13, ...."keep baling"..? you mean bailing...? no matter, you seldom know what you mean.. as usual.. Robb As usual you swallow the bait, I dropped the I, which you never do you self absorbed snob. Tom Of course Robb can not figure out anything unless it meets his grammar and spellcheck mentality. He is communication challenged. With all of his great knowledge and writing you might think we would see a book or two from him. But he would rather do things like attack Fred's book even before he read it. Regards Steve
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 29, 2017 10:09:04 GMT -6
Pequod, Unfortunately, you are as well. You could continue your sniping via PM, but then you would not wreck a thread, or be able to bring the attention to yourself, that you obviously crave. I think you nailed it Tom. Ole Robb can't provide any substantial contribution so he trolls us with his lame spellcheck and grammar comments. He should take a lesson from HR and provide some links to information that contributes to the general knowledge. Regards Steve
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 29, 2017 10:34:18 GMT -6
Robb sucks up to book writers. In Fred's case it was after he started to read it. He appears to be a wannabe author. He should follow the authors that appear hear and are cordial and provide information. Instead we get this from Robb:
tubman13,
History is a dynamic, tubman13, a concept you're unfamiliar with, being addicted to ad hominem statements and a waste of my time and the members of this web-site. Join Montrose in pushing that rock up that never-ending hill...
Robb
Montrose,
..have forgotten more LBH history than you're capable of learning in several lifetimes, but keep pushing that rock up that never-ending hill. We'll watch...
Robb
dgfred,
Gee, I sure wish I had the utter confidence you seem to possess in your conclusions. We should simply shut down this web site and rest on our primary sources until the next generation comes along to question everything about our certainty.
Robb
AZ clueless,
...keep rowing...uphill...
Robb herosrest,
When you finally begin to make sense, then we'll begin to pay you some attention; until then, you're best left to twist in the wind...
Robb
crzhrs,
GREAT JOB ROBB ON PROMOTING YOUR OWN SELF-INFLATING INTEREST WHILE ATTACKING POSTERS FOR THIER FORM RATHER THAN CONTENT OF A POST. IT IS NO WONDER POSTERS STAY AWAY FROM THIS BOARD.
WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO HELP OUT RATHER THAN ATTACK POSTERS?
THANKS
Regards
AZ Ranger
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Post by montrose on Jan 29, 2017 10:39:28 GMT -6
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbtJDNmqpUYRobb is a troll. He is an insult comic dog, whose arrogance is only exceeded by his ignorance. I recommend ignoring this immature fool. Link is to a video for Steve calling this man child out.
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Post by benteen on Jan 29, 2017 14:17:26 GMT -6
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbtJDNmqpUYRobb is a troll. He is an insult comic dog, whose arrogance is only exceeded by his ignorance. I recommend ignoring this immature fool. Link is to a video for Steve calling this man child out. Colonel Montrose, Great video. I am sure Steve loved it. I know I did. Semper Fi Be Well Dan
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 29, 2017 15:32:47 GMT -6
Dan , William, Tom
I have that song on my phone.
Semper Fi
Steve
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Post by noggy on Sept 11, 2017 13:19:52 GMT -6
Not to disturb... but does anyone know when JSIT started collecting / wriiting down his tribe`s history? I know very little about the process of his work itself, even if I have read lots of it. 1906 is mentioned here, and he was born in the first half of the 1880s as far as I remember, so I guess it couldn`t have been all that much earlier?
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Post by herosrest on Sept 11, 2017 21:12:31 GMT -6
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Post by herosrest on Sept 11, 2017 21:15:31 GMT -6
How can it be that Timber didn't mention the nortern (western) fords to Marquis or any of the battle participants. They were all passed away in 1956,
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Post by noggy on Sept 12, 2017 4:48:03 GMT -6
That foreword was great, thank you.
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Post by herosrest on Sept 12, 2017 7:03:30 GMT -6
The greatest of caution must be applied to JSiT's work with Rickey and Vaughn and after. The Cheyenne Tribe wanted their dead given markers and opinion slowly fell into this favour as attitudes, outlook and the history evolved. Timber knew Marquis and what Rickey and Vaughan were told, was not given to Marquis. Of course when Marquis was alive - so were the participants from whom Timber was taking his copius notes. Marquis knew nothing of Ford D sorties by cavalry and neither did those participants from whom he gained the story of the battle. Those participants included Timber's family. This needs to be explained to NPS.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Sept 12, 2017 11:29:54 GMT -6
Or let the discovered artifacts give us clue that JSIT got it right.
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Post by herosrest on Sept 13, 2017 15:43:45 GMT -6
No one has ever doubted that that terrain played out the Custer Fights finale but at the end of the day you have to trust the military who tried to piece it together for Terry immediately afterwards. There is a theory that that is the terrain which Gibbon used to visit the cemetery and in consequence that is supposed to be where Kellogg lay and I believe that you have discoveredan image which shows a marker attributed to him. There was the issue of six markers supposed to have been near the Stone House but it was wishful thinking at best which managed to print urgently into Fox's notes to help germinate his Thunderstruck. As you have pointed up in erstwhile fashion and valuable insight; all this theory is rooted in the interest of a very few boots on the ground who do the story and talk the battle daily to the visiting multitude. This has commercial aspects and the 'Next Big Thing' franchise driving it. Whetheer those fords below and to the west figured in the action or nor - that is now being positively marketed with 'Contested Ground' and the like. There is no science or historical record to support the theory. I include the controversial interpretation of Gibbon's religous article. The science actually stated that nothing happened there but what the hell we think it did anyway. There is some of the underlying science. This is broadly what Whittaker did 140 years ago and just as ridiculous whipping up a cracking frenzy. Oh look, it's a rabbit! The five companies were driven onto Battle Ridge by the several hundred hostiles who rode across MTC on the way from Weir Point, riding along and over the bluffs east of the river when they left the attack on Reno and Benteen. We know this from Nelson A. Miles who investigated the battle in 1878 with two dozen hostile participants telling what happened. They almost certainly told a very much better story of it than Fox ever can. Contested Ground is unproven theory and decent entertainment. It is modern Hollywood and Errol Flynn. It is revisionism.
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Post by herosrest on Sept 13, 2017 16:56:51 GMT -6
United States Indian Service. Standing Rock Agency, Fort Yates, N. D., Oct. 20, 1892.
I have been stationed at this agency since the surrendered hostiles were brought here in the summer of 1881, and have con- versed frequently with many of the Indians who were engaged in that fight, and more particularly with Call, Crow King, Big Road, Hump, Crow, Sitting Bull, Gray Eagle, Spotted Horn Bull, and other prominent men of the Sioux regarding the Custer affair, and when questioned as to the number of Indians engaged, the answer has invariably been: "None of us".
The Indians with whom I have talked deny having mutilated any of the killed, but admit that many dead bodies were mutilated by women of the camp; and they also claim that the fight with Custer was of short duration. They have no knowledge as to minutes and hours, but have explained by the distance that could be walked while the fight lasted, and they vary from twenty minutes to three-quarters of an hour, none placing it longer than forty-five minutes. This does not include the fight with Reno before his retreat, but from the time the second command—Custer's—advanced, and the fight with his command commenced. - Maj. James McLaughlin — Indian agent at Standing Rock Agency, Fort Yates, N.D.
My guide stated that Wah-to-pah — an Assinaboine, an adopted son of Sit- ting Bull, born of white parents, and captured when a child — told him that he knew Custer, and that as they were circling about him he saw Custer lying on the ground wounded. That the third time that they went around, Pah-hoska — Long Hair — had a blanket spread entirely over him, and that he thought he was then dead. Olin D. Wheeler
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Post by herosrest on Sept 13, 2017 17:16:25 GMT -6
Foxes notes involve the ride of Big Beaver to Custer Hill. Besides the written account published by Joe Blummer from a 1928 interview which is entirely misleading,the Cheyenne left furter account with a map of the Battle link showing the Cheyenne crossing Realbird ford and riding over (along) Greasy Grass Ridge to swing up to Custer's Hill. This route was also followed by Rain in the Face. linkAlso, I found aa picture of the markers which were near the Old Stone House. There were a few more than six and..... they are still there. OK, who is this?The 'Advance Party and New Markers' discussion which was noted (literally) by Fox. A good read. link
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