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Post by wyton1 on Apr 24, 2017 13:22:31 GMT -6
Fred Evidently the maps and times I have are incorrect. My map places Boston in a position to observe the valley at 3:32. It shows Reno still in the timber line, and Reno breaks out at 3:53. Which was a 21 minute difference, allowing Boston to see the indians attempting to surround the timbers. My map also shows where all the indians were attacking from, and when Reno did leave the timbers the direction he went was the only opening. He was forced to go the way he did. Also I should mention that my map shows Custer attempting to reach the river far north of ford B, past Squaw Creek and Cemetery Ridge. Could this be ford D? Click on the link below, these are the maps I have been using. Maps 28 to 31. www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/atlas_of_the_sioux_wars-2006-pt2.pdfdan25
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Post by alquedahunter on Dec 14, 2017 14:27:05 GMT -6
I can say that somewhere I read, imagined , IDK , that the cleaning of arms in forts of that period were dunking in the horse tank , drying, then rubbing after with bacon fat. I have to say, it would work. Also, in the field, the troopers would pee thru the bbl.'s to remove some gunk.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Dec 15, 2017 6:37:39 GMT -6
Is Al-Qaeda what you are referencing in your poster name?
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Post by alquedahunter on Oct 31, 2018 11:49:59 GMT -6
Another newcomer has questions.Me! Ok, Martinis horse reportedly got shot coming back.I said Reportedly. So where were those Indians to jump shoot Boston? Also, with this reported giant cloud of dust, per survivors with Reno, ponies or warriors, wouldn't Boston have known something ugly was at least gonna happen to Reno? And told George that hey bub, there's more than we can handle.
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Post by tubman13 on Nov 3, 2018 9:00:38 GMT -6
bub was not prone to taking advice from others, he also was not big on sharing battle plans. Boston probably knew that, why get slapped down just before you die.
Regarding the name of the thread, you don't keep distancing yourself from requested support. Plus the fact if Benteen had followed his orders to the letter Martini would not have found him until all were dead anyway,
Regards, Tom
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Post by alquedahunter on Nov 12, 2018 13:20:36 GMT -6
So , if Benteen had hunted up his valleys he wouldn't have even been help to Reno. Or at least very late or, to late.
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Post by Colt45 on Nov 12, 2018 14:58:58 GMT -6
If Benteen had continued the scout all the way to the LBH river, Reno probably would not have moved from the hilltop. Once Custer was finished the Indians would have returned to the hilltop, where they most likely would have wiped Reno out. Then when they found Benteen off in the distance, it would have been another wipe out.
So instead of having markers mostly in one location, there would be markers in 3 locations and no survivors out of 12 companies.
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Post by alquedahunter on Nov 13, 2018 12:44:14 GMT -6
Well that's where I was headed.But,possible that, only possible I say, that if Reno could have held long enough.Very doubtful, but maybe Terry or his advanced partys could have given the NA's other work.
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Post by Colt45 on Nov 13, 2018 16:49:43 GMT -6
I don't think Reno could have held out until Terry arrived. Reno was surrounded and had already exhausted most of his ammunition in his short stay on the skirmish line and in the timber. If he stayed in the timber any longer than he did, most likely none of them would have ever left the timber. Remember, Terry didn't arrive on the scene until the 27th.
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Post by alquedahunter on Nov 14, 2018 12:06:01 GMT -6
I don't think Reno could have held out until Terry arrived. Reno was surrounded and had already exhausted most of his ammunition in his short stay on the skirmish line and in the timber. If he stayed in the timber any longer than he did, most likely none of them would have ever left the timber. Remember, Terry didn't arrive on the scene until the 27th. Yes sir, I wasn't clear either. I was referring to the hill with the same timing in the valley. Of course, even on the hill it would have been iffy at best if those NA's would have attempted an in force attack.You.re right either way most likely.Thanks Al
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Post by alquedahunter on Nov 15, 2018 13:08:45 GMT -6
As a newbie and not much search time I do have a question for you real experts. It is this. Are /is there an assumption or proof or anything that Reno was drunk anywhere from the valley to the last day? I think, my opinion, is that he was surely drunk at least the first day. So what yall say?
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Post by fred on Nov 15, 2018 14:06:38 GMT -6
As a newbie and not much search time I do have a question for you real experts. It is this. Are /is there an assumption or proof or anything that Reno was drunk anywhere from the valley to the last day? I think, my opinion, is that he was surely drunk at least the first day. So what yall say? I am not an expert, but in my opinion there is absolutely no chance Reno was drunk. If you look at every single account that mentioned Reno's drinking, then analyzed each one based on the context in which it was said, you will come to the conclusion that, yes, he had a pop or two, but was in no way drunk. Now, from the late night of the 25th into the early morning hours of the 26th, that opinion may change somewhat, but not so much to Reno's detriment. So... the simple answer is, No, Reno was not drunk. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by noggy on Nov 16, 2018 1:57:43 GMT -6
For Reno to be drunk "all the time", as some writers would have you believe, I think the pack train would have had to carry about as much whiskey as ammo.
All the best, Noggy
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Post by fred on Nov 16, 2018 6:03:03 GMT -6
For Reno to be drunk "all the time", as some writers would have you believe, I think the pack train would have had to carry about as much whiskey as ammo. A fellow on Facebook posted some comment about Reno being drunk. I addressed that issue and here is my post-- or a partial rendition of it... "A total of 17 men who were at the battle mentioned "drinking" referring to Reno, not themselves. One of those 17 (SGT White, Company M) can be discounted because he did NOT refer to Reno by name, but made a general statement about "drunken officers." One wonders if he hadn't been tipping the sauce himself. Of the remaining 16, four alluded to "drinking," but with no mention of anyone being drunk or incapacitated. That leaves 12. Of those 12, four claimed Reno was drunk or under the influence. Two of those four were the packers, Frett and Churchill, both of who had been threatened by Reno for pilfering the packs during the night of the 25th. Take their claims with that in mind. The other two were PVT Fox, who seems to have had some issues with Reno: he also claimed Reno and Weir argued, yet no one else substantiates this claim and he said Reno appeared PARTIALLY inebriated. The last was LT Mathey, who only said such many years later, having initially said only that Reno had a drink or so. That leaves eight others, all of who claim-- adamantly so-- Reno was NOT drunk. So the preponderance of evidence indicates Reno was not drunk, not incapacitated at all, and the innuendo comes only from those who know no better and who were NOT there. The books you have read were written by those with some sort of agenda and I can guarantee were NOT written by anyone remotely connected with the battle. What you NEED to read is what those who were there had to say, and again, the overwhelming evidence supports Reno's sobriety during the crucial part of the fighting, especially when you consider CONTEXT." The subject, of course, will never go away, so it is like preaching God to a coven, but there it is. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by noggy on Nov 16, 2018 6:35:42 GMT -6
For Reno to be drunk "all the time", as some writers would have you believe, I think the pack train would have had to carry about as much whiskey as ammo. The subject, of course, will never go away, so it is like preaching God to a coven, but there it is. Best wishes, Fred. Or to a heathen Scandinavian. I know some people who really can`t drink and go down for the count just by sniffing the cork, but whatever flask or canteen Reno had, it wasn`t a cornucopia of alcohol (I`d love to have one right now, I hate my job today). I knew some of his accusers had had troubles with Reno before, great to get the details on that. And if we flip this, how many said he wasn`t drunk or didn`t even think of it as an issue? If he was the drunken fool ofte portrayed as, there would not be any doubt about this. A couple of hundred men would not keep quiet, I reckon. Reno was probably really shaken up and nervous, I imagine some folk knew he had a little booze with him like the rest and made out of that him being som drunken out of control madman. I blame my PTSD every Christmas party, so I know these things. All the best, Geir
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