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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 18:23:16 GMT -6
The short answer to this is that there was no real codified doctrine as WO says in this era. Doctrine is the bridge between the military think piece such as Clausewitz or Sun Tzu and tactics. In the specific question though regarding how far out a scout or reconnaissance force should be is - As far out as necessary to provide the commander with what he requires for his essential elements of information prior to battle being joined. If that distance is one mile than one mile is the correct distance. It that gathering of EEI requires that distance be thirty or more miles then 30 or more is the correct distance. QC,
It certainly doesn't entail attacking blind like GAC on 25 June 1876...
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The attack was hardly blind. He know what he was up against. Had Reno left the flask to one side and followed orders, GAC would have been successful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 18:24:55 GMT -6
The short answer to this is that there was no real codified doctrine as WO says in this era. Doctrine is the bridge between the military think piece such as Clausewitz or Sun Tzu and tactics. In the specific question though regarding how far out a scout or reconnaissance force should be is - As far out as necessary to provide the commander with what he requires for his essential elements of information prior to battle being joined. If that distance is one mile than one mile is the correct distance. It that gathering of EEI requires that distance be thirty or more miles then 30 or more is the correct distance. Again with the garbage. Do you read your posts before you hit the post button??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 18:26:45 GMT -6
Tom, 1876 was all too ad hoc, not codified. The scouts/guides were nowhere near far enough ahead. And I am not being anti-US Army. Look how close in 1879 the Zulu Impi got to Isandlwana before Durnford's scout discovered it? WO You can hardly afford to be anti-US. Plenty of embarrassing defeats for the English army.
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Post by welshofficer on Jul 13, 2015 19:00:48 GMT -6
Very bad form indeed. Watching last Thursday nights Father Brown is no place to understand the game of Cricket either. Who could know that Lady Felicia could swing such a wicked bat. Of course I would not know a test match from a test tube. QC,
There was no excuse for attacking blind.
Not on 25 June 1876, not ever. Rank incompetence by a CO.
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Post by Beth on Jul 13, 2015 19:33:24 GMT -6
Very bad form indeed. Watching last Thursday nights Father Brown is no place to understand the game of Cricket either. Who could know that Lady Felicia could swing such a wicked bat. Of course I would not know a test match from a test tube. Our local PBS has finally started to show some Father Brown--or at least I am finally catching them. They seem to be one about ever other week. Last nights involved a stuff tiger. It's going to take some time to get to know the supporting characters because I suspect they each have backstories.
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Post by quincannon on Jul 13, 2015 21:18:25 GMT -6
I think you have missed 10 or 12 that preceded the tiger. That was about three weeks ago here.
Lady Felicia is a very wealthy, married to a peer, floozy. A good friend, Watson like companion in crime solving, little short on the soul saving character, who for Father Brown is a life's work in progress
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Post by Beth on Jul 13, 2015 21:52:50 GMT -6
I think you have missed 10 or 12 that preceded the tiger. That was about three weeks ago here. Lady Felicia is a very wealthy, married to a peer, floozy. A good friend, Watson like companion in crime solving, little short on the soul saving character, who for Father Brown is a life's work in progress Thanks that helps
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Post by tubman13 on Jul 14, 2015 4:19:28 GMT -6
Will, thanks for both, informative.
Regards, Tom
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Post by montrose on Jul 14, 2015 12:47:54 GMT -6
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Post by tubman13 on Jul 14, 2015 18:02:42 GMT -6
Will, I have cut roughly 5 acres of grass today, the rest will be bush hogged. I am having dinner tomorrow with AZ, will be calling him shortly. He has a new granddaughter here in VA.
I am roughly 50 pages in to your offering, I can only thank you. Let you know when finished. So far worth the read.
Regards, Tom
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Post by tubman13 on Jul 17, 2015 4:44:57 GMT -6
Still not finished, book give great insight of the times, values, and mores.
Regards, Tom
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Post by tubman13 on Jul 20, 2015 9:40:12 GMT -6
Still not finished, book give great insight of the times, values, and mores.
Regards, Tom
Thank you for the read Will, it was very worthy of the time I spent on it.
Regards, Tom
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Post by tubman13 on Jul 20, 2015 16:16:59 GMT -6
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jul 24, 2015 7:32:22 GMT -6
As far as distance I would think the scouting would include the distance expected to travel the next day. If you don't scout as least as far as what is easily viewable then you have no way to know whether you have been observed or not. Whether the regiment had to move further up the Rosebud or not I believe the distance within one days ride should have been cleared. If they had done that then the evidence of Indian movement and potentially the battle site should have been discovered.
AZ Ranger
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