Company F, 7th Cavalry

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Hi

I am researching the individual members Company F, 7th Cavalry at the time of the Battle of Little Bighorn (25 June 1876) and the time leading up to it. If anyone has any information they could tell me about ANY of the members of Company F during this campaign, or have any photos that I could use, I would be ever so grateful if you could message me. I have spoken already to a few relatives who have been very kind and helped me out with photos, information etc but there are lots of men that I have not been able to find information on. Anything that you can let me no would be gratefully appreciated

many thanks

[tubman13]

ness10,

There are a number of books that deal with the members of the 7th Cavalry, you might try, "Participants in the Battle of the Little Big Horn" by Frederic C. Wagner III. Complete mini bio's there.

With out trying very hard I give you this.

www.littlebighorn.info/Articles/Casualties.pdf


www.friendslittlebighorn.com/7thUSCavalry1876.pdf

[tubman13]

Chuck,

Do you have to be that proper? You might also wish to mention, that they now somewhat subordinate to the horse they never rode, the line they never crossed, and the color is the... Certainly not my description!

Regards,
Tom

[tubman13]

Now, I probably won't get an ultra-light or memorial glider!

[tubman13]

Chuck,

You do are a resource and do good work. Also, I could never make a decent paper plane of my own. Japanese, paper craft is way out of the question! Where is DC when I need him?

Regards,
Tom

[tubman13]

Also, maybe she means 10ness, now that would be impressive!

[montrose]

F Company was badly led at LBH. They were overrun, offering little to no resistance. It is quite possible that they did not inflict a single KIA on enemy force.

The evidence shows no coherent defense by this unit. Basically, a chicken with its head cut off defense, running around in confusion and panic.

[montrose]

Incompetent company leadership was a major cause of the LBH defeat. The companies that stand out are, in order, F, I, C, G.

Evidence shows that the enlisted men fought well. The officers were very bad, and the NCOs made numerous raw errors.

The 7th at LBH showed a performance well behind any other unit in the US Army 1865-1898. One of the challenges of this fight is determining why this unit performed so badly, compared to its peers. If every regiment in the Army routinely lost 2-300 dead per engagement, then we can say the 7th was an average unit.

But no regiment was as useless as the 7th Cavalry. The officers of this unit performed far behind their peers.

[Beth]

I am a firm believer that one shouldn't candy coat history (especially to spare the feelings of one or more persons) but part of me feels for the decendents of those who died at LBH. No one wants to believe that any life was thrown away because of poor leadership and mistakes, yet that is the history of LBH. I always have to remind myself those were real people who fought and died that day and each one had someone who felt their loss.

ness10 I hope you stick around to learn more about LBH even after you've traced down the information you are looking for and I am sure I am not speaking just for myself when I say I would love to hear what you have learned.

Beth

[Yan Taylor]

I was going to add "Lions led by Sheep will act like Sheep" who said that was it Napoleon?
one of Fred Wagner's books cover most of the stuff you require very well, there is also this site done by a fellow Brit, here are links to both the book and the site;

link

link

Ian.

[montrose]

QC,

I do not understand your last post. What are you disagreeing with?

Respectfully,

William

[tubman13]

Montrose,

I think it has to do with his earlier post to ness10. Something to do with no F's before C's in military terminology no F Companies, just Company F's. Pardon, my limited grasp of the situation. Heck, I'm a product of the USAF, I bought the whole F Troop series back in the 60's, stockade fences and all!.

Regards,
Tom

[tubman13]

Jul 4, 2015 13:27:30 GMT -6 quincannon said:

OK Tom, time for you to earn points toward the Tom Tubman Memorial C130, by answering two questions

1) What is the oldest unit in the Regular U S Air Force?

2) What is the oldest unit in the Air National Guard

They were formed within months of each other, and one of them has a first commander that lends his name to a very old Air Force Base.

Now to insure your place in aviation immortality, what current Air National Guard squadron served with the 23rd Fighter Group, the successor unit to the American Volunteer Group - Flying Tigers - more Air Force fiction but good fiction)?

And Ian not to exclude you, where are the Eagle Squadrons now and under what designation? You are working on the Ian Memorial Sopwith Camel.

And just to remind you Tom, I sometimes make a little money finding this obscure crap.

This would be the easy answer.HQ at Tyndall

Both the Air Guard and USAF became existent September 47. I think the first Air Guard Unit was from NJ. Having said that the 104th in MD which had part been of the 29th, was reactivated in 46 and transferred in 1947. Confusing. I do remember Symington was the 1st Sec. USAF.

I'm glad I did not say here goes for a brevet or a casket, as Elliott did.

I did not look up, did however clip the insignia. Now you, I am sure you will correct me. I look forward. Good fun for this topline student. How do the Flying Tigers fit in?

Regards,

Tom

[Yan Taylor]

Chuck, I thought they ended in 1942, with some pilots transferring to the USAF (4th fighter group) and the rest taking up positions in the RAF, are they still with 4th?

Sorry about this;

link

Ian.

[quincannon]

They did end as the Eagle Squadrons in 42 and the personnel were transferred to the 4th Fighter Group, and they still flew Spitfires for a time.

I forgot to mention that the 23rd is the only air outfit in the world that entered combat the day it was activated 4 July 1942. I think they scored 3 or 4 that day.

When the 1st, 4th, and 23rd fold their tents the end of the Air Force and the United States draws nigh.

Yes Ian they are all still with the 4th Operations Group that is the flying component of the 4th Fighter Wing.

A Wing may have a number of groups under its command. Usually there is only one flying unit, but some wings have as many as two or three, and in the case of the 23rd Wing at Moody, they have an Air Force Reserve Wing collocated with them and while they are separate commands they share facilities and crossover capabilities. The 76th Fighter Squadron (the old Hells Angels of Flying Tiger days) now belongs to the reserve wing at Moody. I think it is the 456th, but other than being a reserve unit, both those wings operate as if they are one. The 23rd also has the 820th Air Base Security Group as part of its structure, and for all intents and purposes the 820th is a light Infantry Brigade.

The wings run the base and the operational groups are the deployable assets, as a general rule.