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Jun 29, 2015 19:40:53 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Jun 29, 2015 19:40:53 GMT -6
Beth, Custer's reputation as an Indian fighter was due to relentless fabricated propaganda, ...written by Custer and his political allies. I have linked articles before showing the widespread and systemic lies of Custer. One example out of hundreds. In 1867 Custer's spare horse fell out. A soldier stayed with the animal. A detail was sent back to recover the horse. They were hit by a massive Indian force. The survivors fled back to Custer. There were 2 missing. Custer decided to abandon his own soldiers and continue on his personal business. A very brave Infantry officer decided the hell with Custer, he went on his own to look for his fellow soldiers. He managed to save one. In later writings Custer slandered these men, saying they were deserters who deserved to die. He claimed both were dead, since otherwise it proves he was unfit to serve as an officer at any rank. The problem with the Custer fanatics is that good, competent men died, because of someone who should never have been allowed to serve as an officer. Respectfully, William This is going to sound strange but even though I 'know' about Custer and his PR machine for some reason reading the details in succession with my recent reading have the point driven home to me. I find that I am annoyed by all the places that bear the name Custer spread all through the plains. It seems that when you can associate Custer with any empty field that once held a forgotten fort, it becomes a place of pilgrimage. Custer has a history of lying and slandering anyone who tried to point out the true about his true nature. Those methods were carried on by his wife and friends even after his death. Custer today is more about a myth of the Wild West than anything to do with the real man. Beth
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Jun 29, 2015 19:47:09 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Jun 29, 2015 19:47:09 GMT -6
Chuck/Beth, Thank you both for the kind words. My statements above are nothing more than educated opinion. I am not a War College grad. I guess what I am saying is there were other options available to the 7th and its commander. Those options, would/should have been, at the very least considered, but without the proper intelligence they were not. And yes, Beth, Custer had at least one bad engagement on the way to Appomattox(Namozine Church/Sweathouse Creek)but managed to retreat before he suffered serious damage. Oddly enough this is where Tom Custer got his 1st MOH, at the opening of the action. Courts Martial a bad year. Lack of intelligence at Washita, could have been a disaster. Custer was daring, brave, and some say reckless. The 1st two are dead on, I don't feel #3 is so. Certainly he pushed the limits during the war, but he had strong back up and he knew it. I guess you could say no balls no blue chips. In June 1876 he rolled snake eyes, due in large part to his lack of attention to detail. Reckless? You decide. Custer will always have his detractors, as well as supporters. My only assertion is that his loss, that day, can not be hung on his subordinates. Regards, Tom Don't sell yourself short. The education offered on this board can take the willing student from someone is just looking at hills and valleys to someone who can make an informed appraisal of what they are seeing. Beth
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Jun 29, 2015 19:57:57 GMT -6
Post by quincannon on Jun 29, 2015 19:57:57 GMT -6
Just thank the good Lord above Beth that he did not breed, or there would be a dynasty in the U S Army to this very day. The United States can be quite thankful for venereal disease acquired young.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:20:01 GMT -6
Post by tubman13 on Jun 29, 2015 21:20:01 GMT -6
Can you substantiate that rumor?
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Jun 29, 2015 21:21:38 GMT -6
Post by tubman13 on Jun 29, 2015 21:21:38 GMT -6
If you can I will clap!
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Post by quincannon on Jun 29, 2015 21:29:58 GMT -6
Actually I first heard it from a park ranger at LBH, who was in conversation with several of us bystanders (not part of any formal presentation) According to him Custer contracted VD while at West Point, and it made him incapable. I later read it somewhere as well, and I am thinking (but not sure) it was something written by Greene.
On your second post Tom, there goes the Tom Tubman memorial C130. It will now become the Fallen Confederate Soldiers of Bowling Green Virginia Memorial Piper Cub, trailing one of those streamers you see at the beach saying Eat at Gerber's and die ----- painfully.
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Jun 29, 2015 22:07:00 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Jun 29, 2015 22:07:00 GMT -6
I don't know how one can prove it to any degree of certainity but if you google Custer and gonorrhea you will get plenty of hits including reference to his health records at West Point. I guess it's up to the reader to decide if it's credible information or not. A number of Custer nephews and decendents did serve in the military. George Armstrong Custer III retired as a Colonel. Link There are quite a few others as well. Beth
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Jun 30, 2015 5:41:03 GMT -6
Post by Yan Taylor on Jun 30, 2015 5:41:03 GMT -6
Custer was a brave officer, but I feel that he misread the signs, I think that he felt relevantly safe if he stayed on the eastern side of the river and knowing that the village was engaged from the south plus the rest of the regiment being due to arrive, gave him a false sense of security, after all he held the high ground and still had mobility.
Ian.
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Jun 30, 2015 6:34:33 GMT -6
Post by quincannon on Jun 30, 2015 6:34:33 GMT -6
Beth and Tom: The subject usually comes up in connection with the allegation that Custer fathered a child by that Cheyenne woman whose name constantly escapes me. That is how the subject was approached when I was at LBH, someone asking the ranger about the issue, to which he answered that it was doubtful in that............
As I reflect, it probably was not something by Greene, but just who it was I cannot recall.
Ian: I think you may very well be correct, he though himself relatively safe, and that being east would also buy time. The thing is though that buying time usually costs you something, and by that I mean you have to do something positive to purchase it. If he thought that something positive was Reno in the valley he tried to pay ten cents for a dollar item.
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Jun 30, 2015 7:32:33 GMT -6
Post by tubman13 on Jun 30, 2015 7:32:33 GMT -6
This is a good place to put this. One not included below "Never squat while wearing spurs!"
Will Rogers was one of the greatest political sages this country has ever known.
Some of his sayings:
1. Always drink upstream from the herd.
2. Never kick a cow chip on a hot day.
3. There are two theories to arguing with a woman. Neither works.
4. Never miss a good chance to shut up.
5. (Ladies) never slap a man who's chewing tobacco.
6. If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
7. The quickest way to double your money is to fold it and put it back into your pocket.
8. There are three kinds of men:
The ones that learn by reading.
The few who learn by observation.
The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves.
9. Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment .
10. If you're riding ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then to make sure it's still there.
11. Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier'n puttin' it back.
12. After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him.
The moral : When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.
ABOUT GROWING OLDER...
First ~ Eventually you will reach a point when you stop lying about your age and start bragging about it.
Second ~ The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
Third ~ Some people try to turn back their odometers . Not me; I want people to know 'why' I look this way. I've traveled a long way, and some of the roads weren't paved.
Fourth ~ When you are dissatisfied and would like to go back to youth, think of Algebra.
Fifth ~ You know you are getting old when everything either dries up or leaks.
Sixth ~ I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top.
Seventh ~ One of the many things no one tells you about aging is that it's such a nice change from being young.
Eighth ~ One must wait until evening to see how splendid the day has been.
Ninth ~ Being young is beautiful, but being old is comfortable.
Tenth ~ Long ago, when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called witchcraft. Today it's called golf.
And, finally ~ If you don't learn to laugh at trouble, you won't have anything to laugh at when you're old.
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Happy Trails
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Jun 30, 2015 8:42:24 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Jun 30, 2015 8:42:24 GMT -6
Custer was a brave officer, but I feel that he misread the signs, I think that he felt relevantly safe if he stayed on the eastern side of the river and knowing that the village was engaged from the south plus the rest of the regiment being due to arrive, gave him a false sense of security, after all he held the high ground and still had mobility. Ian. I have no doubts that Custer was brave--perhaps dangerously so. I just am not sure he tempered it with good sense and self control. Beth
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Jun 30, 2015 8:47:18 GMT -6
Post by Beth on Jun 30, 2015 8:47:18 GMT -6
This is a good place to put this. One not included below "Never squat while wearing spurs!" Will Rogers was one of the greatest political sages this country has ever known. Thanks! It's always good to be reminded of some seriously good advice. Also I've been looking for that electric fence saying for ages. Beth
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