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Post by quincannon on Aug 28, 2014 21:59:58 GMT -6
Thanks for clearing that up DC. I agree with your views of the current Sherlock efforts, although I am not crazy about Downey I follow the other two religiously. Conan Doyle's other interests are brought out in two episodes of The Artful Detective a Canadian product known in Canada as the Murdock Mysteries, where time period historical figures including Churchill and Doyle, Tesla, Bell and others are woven into what I think are quite good detective stories. Murdock himself is a Holmes like character working with Constable Crabtree his Watson like sidekick. Good way to spend an hour on Saturday evening.
Despite our disagreements, I must say you do have a way with words. That I admire. Greatly admire, for there is no shim, sham, shuffle, and jive with you.
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Post by Mulligan on Aug 28, 2014 23:25:40 GMT -6
DC,
As a colorful, if juvenile, attention getter, I think my post succeeded quite well. This board needed some air, anyway.
Nobody really cares that much about Custer's junk, it's true, with the exception of Mrs. Custer and perhaps Monahsetah.
I brought it up because, as I said when I introduced the subject, the idea that (to this day) new insights can be gained on LBH by comparing seemingly irrelevant scraps of information was a concept that I felt I could demonstrate -- in this case, maybe not artfully.
I've noticed that, currently, no one else on the board seems to be posting results of their personal investigative research. It's sort of counter-productive, don't you think, to expect new members to be familiar with everything on the board before they advance questions, or theories, or take a stab at developing their own new discoveries?
Custer's "smile" -- which will be of some minor historical interest to future generations, I can assure you (it's prominently mentioned in Larry McMurtry's recent coffee-table book, CUSTER) -- no longer has to be viewed merely as the vile clinical result of corporeal decomposition and rot, or as just a mercifully fanciful poetic invention to protect Mrs. Custer's pre-Victorian sensibilities.
It now has a third possible explanation or meaning, previously not considered, which I have tendered here based on anecdotal evidence from those present on the battlefield and direct comparison of published material.
But will my flimsy brief stand up in a court of law?
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
Mulligan
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Post by Mulligan on Aug 29, 2014 3:59:42 GMT -6
RE: Correction & Attributions
The information regarding Custer's body mutilation became widely known following the publication of Nathaniel Philbrick's book "The Last Stand (Custer, Sitting Bull, and the Battle of the Little Bighorn)" published by Viking in 2010.
The source for Philbrick's material on the subject was Richard G. Hardorff's book, "Custer Battlefield Casualties: Burials and Exhumations", published in 1990 by Upton and Sons.
Hardorff's work quotes Col. Charles Bates, who states that Brigadier General Edward S. Godfrey disclosed to him the details of Custer's genital mutilation at some point after the passing of Elizabeth Custer in 1933.
I had mentioned erroneously in my post that it was Brigadier General W.S. Edgerly who had provided the post mortem details.
Mulligan
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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 29, 2014 7:18:35 GMT -6
Chuck, here is the Benteen map, and the second one is a blow up of the lines of advance that he thought took place. Ian.
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Post by quincannon on Aug 29, 2014 7:47:18 GMT -6
Thanks Ian. Just as I thought, as I remarked in a PM to you a few moments ago.
If you can print a small extract of the McElfresh Map for Beth to give her an appreciation of what that map is like, I think it would help her out. She was on the Questions about maps thread above this one.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 29, 2014 8:19:15 GMT -6
Chuck, I have scanned a good portion of the map you requested for Beth, the trouble is that it is nearly 3 mb and too large to post, if she sends me her E.Mail address then I can send it to her directly.
Ian.
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Post by tubman13 on Aug 29, 2014 8:21:35 GMT -6
DC, Custer's "smile" -- which will be of some minor historical interest to future generations, I can assure you (it's prominently mentioned in Larry McMurtry's recent coffee-table book, CUSTER) -- no longer has to be viewed merely as the vile clinical result of corporeal decomposition and rot, or as just a mercifully fanciful poetic invention to protect Mrs. Custer's pre-Victorian sensibilities. But will my flimsy brief stand up in a court of law? HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Mulligan Larry Mc Murtry, really? Not at all a bad novelist. To hang one's hat on that. That's Wild, posters that have been around will understand. HO HO HO HO HO !!!!! Tom
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Post by Dark Cloud on Aug 29, 2014 8:23:27 GMT -6
Fascinating. Godfrey died in 1932, La Custer in 1933. But after she died, the dead Godfrey revealed to Bates this heart warming tale? And it's in Philbrick? Must be true. And yet again: you're a newbie, that you yourself came aware of the tale through Philbrick does not mark its birth in the literary world. It's been referenced in near every general book about Custer and the battle. But forget that, just chart out the levels of separation between whoever first told the tale and its emergence with forceps here at your hands. And the thing is: there is no evidence the 'source' actually saw this, only that the tale morphed from a rumor in the first guy's recollection.
You keep claiming an accomplishment based on two scraps of information. What is the second scrap? Does it involve a transmission of info between the necessarily living?
And again: why is it remotely of interest?
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Post by tubman13 on Aug 29, 2014 8:27:17 GMT -6
By the way, is that you in your avatar holding the bean shooter? Did your guides hold that animal still for you or was it pen raised?
HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!
Tom
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Post by Yan Taylor on Aug 29, 2014 8:32:50 GMT -6
Tom, I thought it was Arnold Schwarzenegger murdering Bambi, Wild…..
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Post by quincannon on Aug 29, 2014 8:41:23 GMT -6
Then there is that small matter of Mrs.Custer's PRE-Victorian sensibilities. Since the Victorian age started with her birth in 1819 or at the very least when she ascended to the throne, to have pre-Victorian sensibilities would necessitate Mrs. Custer being pre-Victorian I presume. That would mean she was much older than Custer and opens up the possibility that Lieutenant Colonel Custer was her boy toy. I must say that does open up certain sordid possibilities, best left for the National Enquirer.
Hate to say it but the Irishman was much smarter than Do Over. The Irishman had an IQ of 2.
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Post by Beth on Aug 29, 2014 11:36:12 GMT -6
Chuck, I have scanned a good portion of the map you requested for Beth, the trouble is that it is nearly 3 mb and too large to post, if she sends me her E.Mail address then I can send it to her directly. Ian. Thank you gentlemen. I've sent my email via PM Beth
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Post by quincannon on Aug 29, 2014 11:43:59 GMT -6
Going to be warm down there in Austin today I expect Beth. Good weekend to stay inside with air conditioning.
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Post by Beth on Aug 29, 2014 11:45:30 GMT -6
Then there is that small matter of Mrs.Custer's PRE-Victorian sensibilities. Since the Victorian age started with her birth in 1819 or at the very least when she ascended to the throne, to have pre-Victorian sensibilities would necessitate Mrs. Custer being pre-Victorian I presume. That would mean she was much older than Custer and opens up the possibility that Lieutenant Colonel Custer was her boy toy. I must say that does open up certain sordid possibilities, best left for the National Enquirer. Hate to say it but the Irishman was much smarter than Do Over. The Irishman had an IQ of 2. Okay this has me stumped--perhaps because I just finished a book on George IV aka the Prince Regent and it's always confusing when my worlds--love of Regency England/the Battle of Waterloo and my love of LBH history --collide. It's sort of like an old Dr. Who episode in my head. Is it a reference to McMurtry's book or a reference to Custer's mother?
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Post by Beth on Aug 29, 2014 11:55:19 GMT -6
Going to be warm down there in Austin today I expect Beth. Good weekend to stay inside with air conditioning. Seriously how did people survive in Austin before air conditioning? I've lived in the midwest and Florida which are known for hot humid summers but I about melt in this Austin heat. It might be from years living in Idaho with that dry desert heat. This kind of hot weather makes me realize what a burden it would have been to fight in those uniforms and when add to the lack of water, a good diet and plain exhaustion, it must have been hell. It is also amazing that anyone had any sort of clear thought processes that day. Beth
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