Post by Yan Taylor on Jan 14, 2014 12:04:01 GMT -5
Chuck, when I saw the name “American Division’’ I thought it may have been the nick name for the first US Infantry Division, but we all know the name of the 1st US ID. But on closer inspection I have found that it is the Americal Division.
Post by quincannon on Jan 14, 2014 12:33:28 GMT -5
Ian: Those three regiments that later made up the division were sent in mid-1942 to New Caledonia to provide a garrison, When it was decided to form a division, a contest was held, and the winning entry was AMERICAL, meaning American Forces in New Caledonia.
Named divisions were not unprecedented in the U S Army.
The Philippine Division was active in World War II and fought in the Philippines with one US regiment the 31st, and two Philippine Scout Regiments, both Regular Army units but manned by Filipino enlisted personnel, and a few officers, and largely led my US officers. The division was destroyed on Bataan, but reactivated just after the war and redesignated as the 12th Infantry Division.
The Panama Canal Division was active in the late 1920's and early 1930;s in the canal zone. While it had a division headquarters active, it contained only one infantry brigade.
The Hawaiian Division was active at Schofield Barracks Hawaii, as a square division (four regiments) from 1921 until October 1941. It was then designated the 24th Infantry Division and retained two regiments, the 19th and 21st. It added a regiment of the Hawaii National Guard initially to make the division triangular. The other brigade of that division was used as a basis to activate the 25th Infantry Division with the 27th and 35th Infantry Regiments and the other Hawaii National Guard infantry regiment. Later these two HIARNG regiments were replaced with others.
The named units therefore were really garrisons in US possessions, and never intended during the between war era to be mobile division, deployable only in their specific area assignment
After the war we used first Regimental Combat Teams, and later Theater Defense Brigades to perform these functions. For instance back in the day we had first the 33rd RCT, and later the 193rd SIB in the Panama Canal Zone.
The Americal Division was given the designation 23rd Infantry Division (AMERICAL) in 1954, and it saw a short period of service from 54-56.
Last Edit: Jan 14, 2014 12:35:03 GMT -5 by quincannon
Montrose and Dark Cloud, thank you for your earlier posts, I should have done this earlier. I have spent a great deal of time these past two weeks going from one topic to another, here, to pick as much as I can. So many posts so little time. Again, thank you.
Quincannon, Trisha asked a question. I gave one of my answers re: Custer wounding theory. Besides do you know of another horse that fits the description? Custer could have put his jacket back on by then, or maybe he never took it off.
It entered military knowledge on july 4th, 1876, that Custer was shot in the bottom at LBH, that is specifically down near the river. This infomation was given to 2nd Lt. Bernard A. Byrne (Bn. ACS, AAQM) 6th Infantry, under Maj. Hal Moore at Powder River depot; by scouts who reported there from the battle at LBH. Custer was shot in the bottom and Victory (his mount, Vic) fled the field. This information entered the public realm, published in the New York Times which gave a report of Byrnes interview.
The scout was William Cross, reported by Cpl. Wylie as returning past Company D as it advanced to open communication with Custer (W.M. Camp interview) - which supports the argument that Custer, Keogh and Yates' commands were then dead.
So, i'm getting my cake here and eating it. However, the village could again have been attacked through the valley, all Reno had to do was take Benteen along when he visited the river and recross it. Packs and Company B had simply to use Ford A. They would probably have been killed fighting, or......... captured the camp. Sitting Bull of course held back reserves to meet that contingency, or so some of the tribal record tells.
A balanced post, without bias.
By Terry's report of the 27th June, 1876, Benteen understood that he could have renewed the attack in the valley by crossing Ford A - the quick route to the village. He advanced without waiting for the pack train, towards Ford A and found troops retreating from battle. No evidence exists to suggest that Custer ordered the retreat. As the advance, Reno's actions can be fully questioned and are, often. His deployment in the valley was shambolic.
Of course, Keogh and Yates did not cross the river and attack the village, and Benteen was diverted from going to the village - as he explained to Terry.
One must assume that Reno mucked things up, big time. It was all Bloody Knifes fault. Interestingly, hostile accounts give him to have been alive in the valley, after Reno's retreat and begging for his life.