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Post by Beth on Jan 27, 2015 20:42:10 GMT -6
Beth: Fred has some, and if I recall correctly he has them from both 3411 looking into the valley, and from the valley looking up at 3411, or at least where 3411 is. My recollection is that you had a clear view of the valley past Ford B, but the area close to the river obscured your view to the point where you could not see the full extent of the encampment nor the ford itself. It has been near ten years but I think that accurate. Thanks. He has one picture in his book but it is only one view. Beth
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Post by quincannon on Jan 27, 2015 20:46:43 GMT -6
Try Chris then he is a great photographer.
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Post by Yan Taylor on Jan 28, 2015 5:20:58 GMT -6
Beth; this may help you. Here’s our very own Fred on Weir point; linkSome shots, again more of Fred’s work. linkGoing back to what GAC may have saw from the bluffs, if you read the accounts from some of Reno’s officers and men, the valley up ahead in the direction of the village, was pretty much choked with dust, and it was hard to make out much on what was going on, so would this also apply to GACs view too, the sight of skirmish lines facing a huge dust cloud would give Custer a false sense of what was actually happening. Ian.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 28, 2015 10:53:09 GMT -6
Can anyone direct me to pictures of what one sees standing on 3411? I know I've seen some from 'somewhere' Beth This a panoramic shot I took from 3411 3411 Panaramic sm.bmp (578.09 KB)
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Post by AZ Ranger on Jan 28, 2015 11:04:20 GMT -6
Here is a free look at Reno's retreat crossing form horseback on the bluffs.
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Post by fred on Jan 28, 2015 13:58:45 GMT -6
This a panoramic shot I took from 3411... Oh, sure! Now you put that up here, now that my book is published! What a great shot!Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by chris on Jan 28, 2015 14:42:28 GMT -6
Only with AZ's permission, I'd like to take the panoramic pic and include some points to orient a casual observer. That is, what is the precise direction (yes, I know it's West) from the lens forward and are there any identifiable features (features a visitor could identify)? Best, c.
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Post by chris on Jan 28, 2015 14:54:35 GMT -6
Just to be clear, when I take a panorama, my camera takes the image from the center and scans either side. The center direction is what I was asking. c.
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Post by Beth on Jan 28, 2015 14:57:03 GMT -6
Oh wow! You guys really delivered! Thank you.
Funny thing is I had seen the video of Fred on the hill ages ago when looking for any videos I could find on the actual battlefield--things like tourist shots and home videos on youtube. Our pictures are really poor for what I wanted to see. Now of course I have a better idea what Fred is showing and doing. Also now when I look at those videos and pictures its a much more educated eye. I don't know if I will ever have the grasp of the battle field like someone who is walked and rode it but your efforts have really helped me. As I told Chris and others the other day I am amazed at how much I continue to learn and correct my impressions. In my head I had valley battle in a whole different spot--starting more north than it probably really was.
Beth
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Post by chris on Jan 28, 2015 15:14:19 GMT -6
The Reno "break-out" crossing pic has a small white rectangle, just right of center. Is that a marker for Hodgson?
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Post by fred on Jan 28, 2015 15:26:50 GMT -6
Chris,
Yes, it is.
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by chris on Jan 28, 2015 15:31:09 GMT -6
Thanks Fred, Not too familiar with markers outside the battlefield boundary - well, except for Vincent Charley, which as I understand isn't properly located. Best, c.
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Post by fred on Jan 28, 2015 15:40:10 GMT -6
That is, what is the precise direction (yes, I know it's West) from the lens forward and are there any identifiable features (features a visitor could identify)? I will let AZ make that decision, but I can tell you what is where. 1. On the far right, you can see the two peaks and the loaf of Weir Point. Notice how the loaf ends on its left side. During the battle, that drop off was nowhere near that pronounced. That is because the service road now cuts through, separating the loaf from the peaks. 2. Go to the left... you will see a very flat area. That was where the Spotted Tail village camp was located. About 30 tepees. 3. Reno's timber is to the right of center, maybe the highest point of trees you see and about midway between the Spotted Tail flats and the fence in the photo. Remember, the timber is not there any more. 4. If you look very, very closely, just above the highest point of the fence, you will see what appears to be a small red speck. That is the so-called museum of that fellow Kortlander. Reno's skirmish line would be heading off in that direction from the timber's edge. 5. The trees in the left center of the photo-- and remember, p[anoramic photos distort reality a bit-- are part of Reno's retreat route. The main crossing would be to the trees' left, while a subsidiary crossing would have been more to the right. Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by chris on Jan 28, 2015 15:48:02 GMT -6
Fred, that's perfect, now if I get AZ's ok, I'll try to do it justice and post the image. Best, c.
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Post by Beth on Jan 28, 2015 15:49:48 GMT -6
Chris, Yes, it is. Best wishes, Fred. For some reason I find that one marker more tragic than all the others on the field. Maybe because the story of what happened to Hodgson has been so vividly related. It speaks of how desperate every man's struggle was to escape what must have been a terrifying situation and a living hell. The mores of the time would have prevented any survivor from really discussing how they felt at the time but it must have given them nightmares for the rest of their lives. Even though people may disagree about if it made sense to send a party down to bury Hodgson, can you imagine what the effect would have been on survivors if he was just left laying there and if they had to watch his body tried like Dorman's. Also a question for clarification. We all know that Hodgson was dead at that time but would Reno have known? Would part of his search for Hodgson have been to just be certain he wasn't lying wounded below? Beth
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