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Post by markland on Mar 18, 2009 5:24:15 GMT -6
Very cool list. I take it, Billy, that you compiled this from all manner of sources? Thomas Eagan/Hagan was listed as from Ireland, I thought. At least in Michno's mini biographies in the back of his E Company book he is. And those mini bios read as if he gleaned them from enlistment records. As he is listed on the LBHA list of Seventh Cavalry members at the time of the battle. Just another possible example of a soldier actually from Ireland, not just of Irish descent. And not to pick nits, but do you think you could put some space between the listings? It'd be much easier to read... Eagan/Hagan is under Hagan and is shown as being born in Ireland. The information is predominantly from two sources, both National Archives microfilm series: Register of Enlistments in the Regular Army, M233, and Returns from Regular Army Regiments, multiple series. I used the regimental returns to get a baseline on deaths then began going through the enlistment registers line-by-line to account for the known deaths as well as put names on recruits and others who for some reason never showed on the regimental returns. The enlistment registers also supplied the enlistee's biographical data shown. There were other sources used such as Hospital Returns for Selected Kansas Forts and Burial Registers for Military Posts, Camps and Stations. The last two mainly corroborated death location, date and cause. Be good, Billy
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Post by markland on Mar 18, 2009 15:17:39 GMT -6
Actually, on the contrary, the very fact that they are listed as a nationality other than American lends credence to the veracity of the recruiting officer. As I stated to Crabbie, I have my doubts, but no proof, that a large number listed as having been born in NY, NY or Boston, MA were actually born there. I'll have to find Rickie or Utley but one stated that post-CW, there actually had been a directive from the Adjutant General's Office discouraging the recruitment of foreign nationals. That was rescinded due to the overwhelming lack of patriotism, and consequent failure to meet recruitment quotas, from the native-born Americans.
As far as my list being substantive, I have never claimed it was. But, at least, it represents an investment in time, money and eyesight in order to put names on the headstones of those buried at Leavenworth, LBH and other national cemeteries with the words "Unknown US Soldier."
Start your Quibble thread. Likely someone will think it relates to Harry Potter but what the hey.
Billy
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Post by Melani on Mar 20, 2009 14:31:10 GMT -6
Just curious, dc--were you frightened by a leprechaun when you were young, or something? The discriminatory attitude you show toward the Irish hasn't really been prevalent in this country for rather a long time, and I am just wondering about the reason for it.
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Post by Melani on Mar 21, 2009 0:29:02 GMT -6
"Irishmen DO have a reputation for drunken fights among themselves. And after four or five attempts ending with their bombmakers' self-emolation - often while training Arabs and others - they periodically manage to heroically blow up the seventy odd year old Mountbatten or their own women and children. They seem to have lost all their wars, though, notice that? Pretty much like the Sioux, which is why the fat old men surrounding Ward Churchill always looked so stupid.
In the Civil War, the side with the most Irish in a given battle tended to lose it."
I totally agree, dc--I've got nothing to teach you about prejudice against the Irish.
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Post by librabook2 on Mar 24, 2009 17:59:23 GMT -6
The Irish won the most important war of their very being: 1922, freedom from the British Empire to The Irish Free State and that followed the greatest one of all : The Republic of Ireland in 1949. If that ain't great, I don't know what is.
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