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Post by bc on Jun 9, 2008 12:13:56 GMT -6
Another Little Big Man sighting and other movies.
Tonight only, at 1:00 am central time(actually early Tuesday). Comes on after Custer of the West with Robert Shaw, Sitting Bull with Dale Robertson, and Seventh Cavalry with Randolph Scott.
Just a followup on an earlier post after seeing that they were repeating the Dustin Hoffman movie again.
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Post by Scout on Jun 9, 2008 18:06:15 GMT -6
Just a reminder that it's a good night to go bowling...
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Post by Tricia on Jun 9, 2008 19:17:42 GMT -6
Wait a second, Scout! Seventh Cavalry is my favourite Custer movie. Let's hear it for Dandy, the Wonder Horse! Certainly, the critter was a helluva lot better than (ugh) Big Brown!
It's pouring and--OMG--cool in Little Rock, --t.
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Post by biggordie on Jun 10, 2008 0:04:53 GMT -6
I just finished watching Seventh Cavalry for, believe it ir don't, the first time. Dandy the Wonder Horse, indeed!! What would have happened if Junior hadn't grabbed the Custer saddle-blankie? Does anyone know if Custer actually had saddle-blankets with his name and etc. imprinted? Any other officers?
Gordie
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Post by Treasuredude on Jun 10, 2008 6:12:33 GMT -6
I grew up in North Dakota. The first time I saw Seventh Cavalry and it showed all these snow peaked mountains, I thought, "This is supposed to be North Dakota?" Hell, the biggest hill I ever saw was a pile of dirt when they were digging the new swimming pool.
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Post by Scout on Jun 10, 2008 6:40:06 GMT -6
Yea, my favorite is 'True Grit' where the towering snow capped mountains of Ft. Smith, Arkansas, loom in the distance. I think it was filmed in Montana or Wyoming wasn't it? Arkansas has its beauty but 6000 ft. mountains it don't have.
Why does every Western movie have the cavalry wearing yeller scarves?
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Post by biggordie on Jun 10, 2008 8:38:52 GMT -6
But they DID get Fort Lincoln right, right?
Gordie
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Post by bc on Jun 10, 2008 11:05:33 GMT -6
No, the fort is not right. I think Seventh Cav and Little Big Man used the same log stockaded post (made for movies) isolated out in the middle of no where. FAL was a wide open post (typical of most western forts) near the river and a town. No gates, no parapets to man.
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Post by stevewilk on Jun 10, 2008 13:35:06 GMT -6
No, the fort is not right. I think Seventh Cav and Little Big Man used the same log stockaded post (made for movies) isolated out in the middle of no where. FAL was a wide open post (typical of most western forts) near the river and a town. No gates, no parapets to man. Actually, there were blockhouses and I think at least a partial stockade of some sort at FAL; these were located on the infantry part of the post.
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Jun 10, 2008 16:32:42 GMT -6
Another Little Big Man sighting and other movies. Tonight only, at 1:00 am central time(actually early Tuesday). Comes on after Custer of the West with Robert Shaw, Sitting Bull with Dale Robertson, and Seventh Cavalry with Randolph Scott. Just a followup on an earlier post after seeing that they were repeating the Dustin Hoffman movie again.
OMG they really are dredging them up. 'Sitting Bull' (1954) with J. Carrol Naish as SB and the Native American who wasn't, Iron Eyes Cody as Crazy Horse in a movie which, to me, was the biggest turkey of all time based on our area of interest, worse even then 'Custer of the West'. The end scenes where SB meets up with U.S. Grant at FAL to show that the Dale Robertson character was not a traitor and should not be shot are cringe making, only to be made worse by SB and his followers exiting FAL to the sound of a heavenly choir singing the most excruciatingly maudlin words I have ever heard. The same director, Sidney Salkow, remade the story in 1965 as 'The Great Sioux Massacre', starring Joseph Cotten as Major Reno and Darren McGavin as Captain Benton (why the name change I don't know), SB was Michael Pate (who?) and CH was again old Iron Eyes. This movie, although marginally better, was equally as pointless. 'Seventh Cavalry' at least had the merit of proving conz wrong by showing that the Indians WERE still around ready to fight the soldier after the LBH! ;D
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Jun 10, 2008 16:53:16 GMT -6
Why does every Western movie have the cavalry wearing yeller scarves?
Hollywood necessity. You can't depict heroic cavalry if they look like a bunch of brigands, so dress them all up in smart uniforms, with the bright yellow stripes showing on their breeches, all wearing the same clean grey hats and unstained yellow scarves. Also make them all mostly clean shaven and short haired. Let them carry the red and white guidons which look so much better in technicolor and arm them with Winchesters so that they can shoot lots of the Indians who obligingly ride back and for in front of them to make easier targets. Hell, they even armed John Wayne and the Texas Rangers with Winchesters in 'The Comancheros' which was set in about 1840.
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Post by cefil on Jun 10, 2008 17:51:55 GMT -6
SB was Michael Pate (who?) The name may not ring a bell, but I'll bet the face is familiar: Michael Pate was apparently quite an accomplished actor/voice-talent/director/etc., especially in his native Australia. (Hunk, he's one of your fellow British Empiricists!) In this country, he's best known for his roles in Westerns, usually as a bad guy or an Indian (you know, from Tiyospaye Boolabong of the Aussie-kotas). One of my personal favorites was his role as Sir Locksley in that great movie, The Court Jester. ("The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true!") cefil (No flagons with dragons for me!)
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Post by bc on Jun 10, 2008 23:53:14 GMT -6
Pate resembles Claude Akins.
I have seen a number of fort plans but not for FAL. Sometimes the blockhouse was one of the first buildings put up (sometimes by the soldiers) and maybe later converted to stone. They serve multiple purposes. Lookout, last place to hole up if overrun, calaboose/guardhouse, hq, powder mag underneath, maybe a water well underneath, and maybe even a tunnel over to another building. They served other uses too.
Custer did not like to house his troops with infantry. At Fort Hays, he always camped on Big Creek a few miles from post although Reno & Benteen & wives & children & others with families stayed at Ft. Hays. He liked to keep his troops away from town and the sutler's store. Custer expected some kind of contractural arrangement with the post sutler before the sutler was going to have his troops available as customers. When the sutler disagrees, such as when TWC went in advance to Ft. Hays to make said arrangement, then we end up with a camp at Big Creek a few miles away from the fort. It was one of the customs of service.
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Post by biggordie on Jun 10, 2008 23:55:57 GMT -6
I liked him in Hondo. Actually, I liked him in most everything I saw him in - he seemed to always perform above the quality of the scripts. Of course, I also liked Gerald Mohr.
Gordie
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Post by "Hunk" Papa on Jun 11, 2008 17:32:20 GMT -6
The name may not ring a bell, but I'll bet the face is familiar: Michael Pate was apparently quite an accomplished actor/voice-talent/director/etc., especially in his native Australia. (Hunk, he's one of your fellow British Empiricists!) In this country, he's best known for his roles in Westerns, usually as a bad guy or an Indian (you know, from Tiyospaye Boolabong of the Aussie-kotas). One of my personal favorites was his role as Sir Locksley in that great movie, The Court Jester. ("The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true!") cefil (No flagons with dragons for me!)
G'day cobber and thanks for the pics. Bonza. They did bring instant recognition and biggordie, he was good in Hondo. He was also Captain Benteen in 'Seventh Cavalry' perhaps because he was fed up with being on the winning side. Cefil, we Brits are NOT Empiricists. It's just that we have been chosen to show the rest of the world the proper way to behave and of course, we get no thanks. Hunk
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