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Post by fred on May 10, 2008 13:02:49 GMT -6
Hey Billy!--
You need to explain something to me. I would like to know how your "jest" here differs from the jests made by Larry and me on that Finnish book thread. While you're thinking that over, maybe you can also explain to me what the term "double standard" means. Or am I being too thin-skinned? Maybe my lack of "manners" or my inability to be a "real man" accounts for it... I don't know. It seems I lost those traits somewhere along the way... or maybe I'm just taking myself too seriously. Please help me out here.
Best wishes, Rat/Weasel
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Post by markland on May 11, 2008 11:22:30 GMT -6
Hey Billy!-- You need to explain something to me. I would like to know how your "jest" here differs from the jests made by Larry and me on that Finnish book thread. While you're thinking that over, maybe you can also explain to me what the term "double standard" means. Or am I being too thin-skinned? Maybe my lack of "manners" or my inability to be a "real man" accounts for it... I don't know. It seems I lost those traits somewhere along the way... or maybe I'm just taking myself too seriously. Please help me out here. Best wishes, Rat/Weasel Fred, if this were yesterday, I would tell you to take a couple of aspirin and go back to bed in hopes that when you awoke, it would be on the right side of the bed. Unfortunately, it ain't yesterday. First, my jest was simply that. I know Frank & Scott via e-mail well enough to know that if they were offended they would surely let me know. I have traded posts with Full Sail & Max on various boards and know that they have a sense of humor; which something you may look into re-locating as you seem to have lost yours. As far as this thread and the Finnish author thread is concerned, the difference is that I know the recipients of my "humor" to some extent and since others (including yourself) had pointed out the same thing I felt it was an open subject. The Finnish author, Jari I believe, wrote a book on LBH from Finland making the legwork of research into archival sources as well as secondary sources simply mind-boggling (and likely very expensive). Anyway, I still love you Weasel Billy
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Post by chadron21 on May 29, 2008 12:27:51 GMT -6
I was the one who started this thread and I didn't mean for it to turn into what it did.
I found Jim Court's website and have contacted him to see about a tour this summer. Much easier than trying to figure out who owns what.
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 29, 2008 23:39:57 GMT -6
Good move. Jim certainly knows everyone. I hope you'll let us know how it went.
Have a great time!
Diane
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Post by lizs on Jan 19, 2009 17:58:44 GMT -6
Thanks for the heads-up on how to do this trip. The moment at LBH that I learned about - and saw the far-off - Crow's Nest, well, that's where **I** wanted to be, to try to see what they saw. (I would presume this is where everyone wants to go; don't they???) I don't have maps in front of me now, but am trying to recall... Is the Crow's Nest itself on private land? And the Rosebud battlefield/historical "park" (yes, I realize it's not developed) abuts it, right?
At Slim Buttes, when working on an oral history project, one area landowner wasn't picking up the phone, so we could set up an interview. A forest ranger/archaeologist on the project and I just drove up to his house around 6 one night (hoping he wasn't prone to guns on strangers - WAIT! I think we were in the USFS truck... well, who knows if that was better than a plain ole truck, lol.) This descendant of the area settlers welcomed us in, ran us through our paces (much to be expected) and finally settled in and talked our heads off for three hours with area history. For example, he said he could still find the tree where the Cavalry lowered their wagons on the divide and the rope marks were still on trees. (didn't have time to see it, though). With my reporting style/personality, I would have BSed much more with the guy to meet the BS-o-rameter test, LOL, but I didn't want to potentially get the paid US employee in trouble. All in all, very interesting. I saw a very neat, rare fossil, too.
But yeah, if I have one goal you folks may help me achieve, it's getting to that Crow's Nest. Anything else is gravy - and welcome! :-)
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Post by bc on Jan 19, 2009 19:24:49 GMT -6
I just hope that the landowners are lousy shots.
If you go to the Seven(th?) Ranch website, it mentions for their horse rides that they get all necessary permissions and pay whatever fees.
I would bet that the nps park strangers at the battlefield have a list of contacts for the area.
That is a public road going up by the crow's nest. Maybe someone who has been there recently knows whether the landowners have posted any land.
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Post by biggordie on Jan 19, 2009 19:56:03 GMT -6
lizs:
The last time I "spoke" to the 7th Ranch people [Chip], they did not have any horses in shape for their rides, and advised that they could not go to the Crow's nest in any event. Their horses should be okay for this year, but check in advance.
bc is correct in that there is a public road on one side of the Crow's Nest [and you can sneak up from that side, if you don't mind climbing somebody's fence]. Access to the jeep trail is on private land, although the road down Davis Creek is public, I think, although I am pretty sure that one of our members couldn't get up it with Jim Court a couple of years ago - so they went up Thompson Creek
The Rosebud Battlefield is half and half [or was] the NPS portion having been ceded by the landowners some years ago. The ratio is not really fifty-fifty, but you know what I mean. BTW, that Battlefield does not abut the Crow's Nest - it is twenty miles or so away.
The attitudes of local landowners are not always predictable. Generally speaking, they are sometimes amenable to a smallish trespass fee, or gift. A lot depends upon who you are, and who they are, and how they felt when they got up that morning. I know of people who have been denied access for no apparent reason, except that they asked.
It is better to take a tour with a guide who knows everybody and who can arrange access to the places you want to go. Sharing with others makes it affordable.
Somebody above mentioned Jim Court. Last I heard, he could not get to the Crow's Nest. One of the members here was up there last summer, I believe, and perhaps he will read this and let you know how he did it.
Gordie
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