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Post by crzhrs on Feb 9, 2008 11:23:54 GMT -6
Garden Party anyone?
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Post by harpskiddie on Feb 9, 2008 13:11:58 GMT -6
Some people call me a teenage idol; some people say they envy me. I guess they got no way of knowing how lonely I can be.
The only thing you'll ever be to Ricky is just a fan. You'll never get to squeeze him, honey, 'cause he's the travelin' man. It wouldn't happen with me.
But no-one heard the music - we didn't look the same.
Sometimes I think I love you, ah just a little too much.
Halfbreed, they're hot on your trail, boy. Halfbreed - but you better not run. Halfbreed - you'd better get a gun, man. Better get a gun, and stand, man. You'd better get a gun and stand.
I been waitin' in school, all day long - waitin' for the bell to ring, so I can go home.
Gunnar and Mathew are the family twins; big brother Ed is on the bayou, fishin'
It's none of your business where I been; don't ask me what I done. Just run your ranch, and punch your cows, and stay behind my gun, man, or Colorado's right hand will put you on the run,
I believe what you say when you say you don't kiss nobody else but me.
My love speaks like silence, without ideas of violence, She doesn't have to say she's faithfu; but she's true - like ice, like fire.
And etc etc and blah blah blah. Rick had two or three different careers, maybe four, and numerous hit records. Elvis also was a fan. Rick Nelson was, at one time, the only performer besides Elvis who could sell out a venue as a solo act, with no opening acts.
clw: check your PM for a special offer!! I have every song ever released by Rick, and some that were not. There are some tapes that have never been found, however, so I don't have everything actually recorded. Sometime today.
Gordie MC
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Post by crzhrs on Feb 9, 2008 13:22:16 GMT -6
A little over the top with the Ricky-fest aren't we?
PS: Just what the heck did Ozzie do for work? Whatever it was, I gotta get one!
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Post by BrokenSword on Feb 9, 2008 13:29:47 GMT -6
Gordie- "...Johnny Rivers is alive and well, last I heard, and was still doing limited touring last year. We go back a long way, but I haven't seen him in a few years...."
Fascinating. I saw Johnny Rivers at the Whiskey-A-Go-Go (I think that was the name of the place) many years ago. Became a fan and was particularly fond of 'Hussar Trooper's Horse'. Maybe that wasn't the exact title though? Ask him next time perchance you meet.
Personally, I thought he had alot more on the ball than the music industry and critics gave him credit for.
M
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Post by crzhrs on Feb 9, 2008 13:55:44 GMT -6
Johnny Rivers . . . way ahead of his time when he was in . . . and probably still as good an entertainer as he was in his heyday.
Has he done any new recordings recently?
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Post by harpskiddie on Feb 9, 2008 14:11:10 GMT -6
Michael:
Hussar Trooper's Horse? Also known as Maybelline. Ah, yes, I remember it well. Hal Blaine on drums, Joe Osborn on Bass, Larry Knechtel on keyboards, and Mike Deasy [who on earth was he?] on guitar. I remember it well. If you saw him at the Whisky A Go Go [that am de name de place], you must be older than I thought, since that was the early to mid sixties, which would make you [lessee 20 plus 4 take away 11, multiply by the square root of............[ OLD. JR was actually the one who put the Whisky on the map, with his live recordings.
I agree that he was under-rated and under-valued as an artist, principally I think because he did mostly "covers" of other's material, often better than the originals, in my opinion; but it was the era of the singer-songwriter, and he was dismissed, except by the fans. Much the same with Rick Nelson. Both of them became rather accomplished writers as well as singers; but by then most listeners had moved on.
Johnny Rivers will never hurt for money, since he early on founded his own record label, and produced some rather large hits. He performs because he loves it, and is one of those people who need an audience to feel completed. Rick never really needed an audience - he just loved the music. I know that sounds trite, but it was true.
Horse:
On the show, I don't think we ever found out. At least I don't remember. Obviously something that allowed him to spend most of his time at home. In real life, he had been a big band leader [and Harriet had been his vocalist - she also was in a couple of movies; maybe he was too], then produced a radio version of the Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet; then switched over to TV, through his own production company; co-produced some of Ricks albums and invested in California real estate. When the show went off the air, it was one of the longest-running programs in TV history [maybe the longest at the time].
Gordie MC
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Post by BrokenSword on Feb 9, 2008 14:20:11 GMT -6
Gordie- "...If you saw him at the Whisky A Go Go [that am de name de place], you must be older than I thought, since that was the early to mid sixties..."
Maybe, maybe not... it was the golden age of fake IDs, afterall.
"Hussar Trooper's Horse'= 'Secret Agent Man' (not Maybeline) but then if it was me singing it.. who could tell the difference?
'Poor Side of Town' was my favorite. Good to hear he's done well. My faith was not misplaced.
M
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Post by Diane Merkel on Feb 9, 2008 15:57:03 GMT -6
Wasn't Ozzie an insurance salesman on the TV show? (Gordie didn't tell you, but Rick sang at his wedding!)
I saw Johnny Rivers locally in 1994. I'm a bit surprised to read he needs an audience because he didn't interact with the audience much. As I recall, he introduced the band at one point, but that's about it. No matter. It was a great evening. Such a perfectionist! I was in front row center, just a few feet from the platform (too short to be called a stage). I saw him wince once, apparently because he wasn't happy with the note he hit. IMO, a flawless performance.
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Post by clw on Feb 9, 2008 15:57:52 GMT -6
.....it was the golden age of fake IDs, afterall.
Ain't THAT the truth. And in NY you only had to be 18 anyway. No pictures on the old DL -- just find someone the same physical discription and you were good to go. And the bouncers thought they could trick us by asking our DOB. HA!
Gene Pitney should not be left out of this discussion. 24 Hours from Tulsa, Liberty Valance, Only Love Can Break a Heart, Town Without Pity. Gordie? ;D
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Post by gocav76 on Feb 9, 2008 16:24:23 GMT -6
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Post by BrokenSword on Feb 9, 2008 16:29:27 GMT -6
Diane - I don't think Ozzie ever had any visible means of support. He was always just around the house - usually in an apparent daze. Jim Anderson (Father Knows Best) sold insurance. Ward Cleaver always went to "The Office" but I'm not at all sure what he did there.
M
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Post by BrokenSword on Feb 9, 2008 16:35:04 GMT -6
Gordie-
You've sent me tripping down memory lane. It must have been late summer in 1966 when I saw JR at the Whiskey. My two cousins and I got in - two of us on fake IDs. Can I still be proscuted for that? Maybe I should have said nothing about it. AZ Ranger stops here often, ya know?
M
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Post by harpskiddie on Feb 9, 2008 17:51:56 GMT -6
Cleaver's office was never shown because he worked for The Company, if you know what I mean. Gene Vincent, surely, over Eddie Cochran when it comes to Rock. Gene Pitney was a bit on the waily-mournful side for me, but he could certainly put a song over. I used to sing Liberty Valance to myself all the time
When I said that JR needed the audience, it was from the standpoint of seeking approval. Rick would sing in the park to the pigeons. JR always surrounded himself with superb players [most of whom nobody ever heard of], and could sing virtually anything - pop, rock, blues, even a tad jazzy at times.
I'm not too sure when he last issued an album. The last I know of was a live album recorded at the Whisky in 1999 and released the next year. Prior to that it was Last Train To Memphis, which was recorded in multiple sessions over several years [1991-1998] and released in 1998. Both of these albums are musts for Rivers fans, and Last Train is recommended to all. I am sure that there have been Collections issued over the intervening years [The REAL Best Of; Oh Yeah, this is the best of] and there may have been albums as well. Check the web to see for sure.
I do not profess to being an encyclopedia of Rock And Roll, only knowing about some people with whom I was, sometimes very briefly, associated over the years. While some of them would make it into anyone's Pantheon of Greats, others are virtually unknown.
I'm off to the Office now.
Gordie MC
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Post by BrokenSword on Feb 9, 2008 18:13:37 GMT -6
Gordie - "...Cleaver's office was never shown because he worked for The Company, if you know what I mean...."
I certainly don't mean to argue with my elders, however - Ward actually was shown at 'The Office' in one episode. Fred Rutherford(Lumpy's father) was giving him some sage advice concerning the rearing his boys so that they might measure up to Clarance and his achievements one day. The set was a simple desk and a couple of file cabinets. 'Sterilized' as we said in The Company, and I do know what you mean - secret's safe with me.
By the way - couldn't get me a few autographs, could you? Not for me, you understand, but for my cousin who happens to be named Michael also.
Michael
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Post by harpskiddie on Feb 9, 2008 18:32:05 GMT -6
Michael:
Who do you want?
I have autographed albums from Rick, from Linda Ronstadt, from Judy Collins, from Neil Diamond, from Rita Coolidge, from Carly Simon, from Yes, from Dan Fogelberg, from Karla Bonoff, from Jesse Colin Young, from Nils Lofgren and from the original Eagles. Some of them are signed by others such as Jackson Browne, Buddy Miles, Mike Botts, Andrew Gold, Booker T. etc Strangely enough I never got one from JR.
Of course, I'm not going to part with any of them, but if you'd like copies of somebody on the list, let me know your mailing address via PM and I'll send it/them along, soon as I replenish my supply of paper. George Harrison I will not copy.
Gordie MC
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