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Post by grahamew on Mar 28, 2007 2:20:12 GMT -6
Thanks. Great delegation photo too. There must be a list of delegates somewhere.
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Post by shatonska on Mar 28, 2007 8:34:29 GMT -6
Dietmar Little Chief (cheyenne) is the second from left (not man afraid) watch the necklace and the resemblance the two other cheyennes match , don't konw about the lakotas , can the other two be araphoes ? the great Fitzpatrick was close to arapahoes
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Post by charlie on Mar 28, 2007 9:22:15 GMT -6
Dietmar: you are a well of science.....I hung up from your lips.....Tell me: have you bio-infos on chief Little Chief, of which delegation-photo is generally confused with Roman Nose? I don't know nothing about him. And the indian's name of Friday is really "Warshinun"? And when he died? I wait for the definitive identification of the WONDERFUL photo above.
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Post by mort aux vaches on Mar 28, 2007 18:49:23 GMT -6
Shatonska's right. If Little Chief didn't rent out his own necklace that would be the man second from left. Apart from Friday I can't say I'm too certain of any of those. Speculation is what this board is about, but is there any reason that should be Lone Horn except for the fact that we don't have a photo of him elsewhere?
Also what's happened with the face of the fourth person from the left. A glitch in the scan or is that how it looks in the book?
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Post by shatonska on Mar 29, 2007 6:02:52 GMT -6
Shatonska's right. If Little Chief didn't rent out his own necklace that would be the man second from left. Apart from Friday I can't say I'm too certain of any of those. Speculation is what this board is about, but is there any reason that should be Lone Horn except for the fact that we don't have a photo of him elsewhere? not only the neacklace , the face is the same there is a photo of one horn togheter with other important chiefs (man afraid (sitted with a pipe if i remember well) spotted tail and others at the time of the 68 treaty , he doesn't' look like one of the two men in the picture above but there are 17 years of difference if someone could post the photo , was already posted somewhere but i don't remember where
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Post by buffaloman on Mar 29, 2007 7:13:24 GMT -6
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 29, 2007 8:26:25 GMT -6
I must admit, I was speculating a bit about the individuals in this photograph. I wish I knew exactly who was who. That´s why I posted it here... I think Alights-on-a-Cloud, White Antelope and Friday, judging from their clothes, are safe. The other ones... I´m not that sure about the similarity of Little Chief and the man second from right... and I have difficulties in comparing the necklace. Lone Horn was just a thought... the small face of that man showed some resemblamce at first instance... I am not sure... the same with Man-Afraid. mort aux vaches, White Antelope´s face looks just as in the book. Must be the original photo. Thanks for your comments! I hope we get more opinions. Dietmar
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Post by shatonska on Mar 29, 2007 8:40:19 GMT -6
ciao dietmar i'm quite certain about little chief , try putting a sort of warbonnet on the second left there are some similarities in the face of the two unknow and lone horn and man afraid (3rd from left standing and smoking pipe sirismm.si.edu/naa/baegn/gn_03678.jpg ) but it is too difficult to make a match , i'll go with two arapahoes untill other possibilities
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 29, 2007 9:55:40 GMT -6
... of course, Arapahoes are possible. They sit next to Friday.
I have just sent an e-mail to the Fort Laramie National Historic Site. Perhaps they can help us. The photo is courtesy of the FLNHS.
I the meantime we could speculate further...
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Post by shatonska on Mar 29, 2007 10:17:10 GMT -6
speculations ? ok
those two (second and fourth from right are a bit too small to be lakota , another arapahoes confirmation ,, smaller than cheyenne and lakotas
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Post by mort aux vaches on Mar 29, 2007 11:09:25 GMT -6
Hmm, perhaps I'm more open to the proposal of it being Lone Horn after looking at those later photos. Powell states that Goose, One Horn, Watchful Elk, Shell Man and one more chief went to Washington. The man beside Fitzpatrick could be John Smith (the interpreter).
I hope it's not just me that thinks something must be wrong with White Antelopes face. It looks garbled on my screen for some reason.
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Post by grahamew on Mar 29, 2007 12:43:58 GMT -6
No, it's on mine too. From this picture, I'm also more inclined to think Lone Horn is a possibility.
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Post by charlie on Mar 30, 2007 4:12:34 GMT -6
HELP: have anyone bio-infos on Cheyenne LITTLE CHIEF that is discussed in this thread? Who was this man? I haven't no informations. Thanks to all.
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 3, 2007 3:25:42 GMT -6
Charlie, I am afraid there is not much information about Little Chief, other that he must have been one of the 44 council chiefs of the Cheyenne in the 1850ies. Only these council chiefs were allowed to wear a pipe in official meetings, councils or even in photograph sessions. There are other Little Chiefs in Cheyenne history, some were even photographed, but I found nothing about this Little Chief of 1851.
Dietmar
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Post by charlie on Apr 3, 2007 7:00:04 GMT -6
Thank you Dietmar, for the answer. I wrote, somewhere in the web, that Powell was talking about our Little Chief, but i haven't books of this writer, unfortunately. Anyway, i think that he was a very important chief, looking at his photos...What a pity don't have more infos of him!!! At regard chief FRIDAY, what is his real indian's name? Do you know? Thanks a lot.
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