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Post by Frank on Mar 24, 2007 20:06:55 GMT -6
I was just wondering, what would be the "first" photo ever about Indians, or at least one of the earliest ever taken? Any ideas or examples? Is there any photos of Indians from around year 1840 or something like that? This here is said to be the earliest photo ever taken taken in North America: Taken in October or November 1839. It is a self portrait by Robert Cornelius (1809-1903).
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Post by BrokenSword on Mar 24, 2007 21:38:07 GMT -6
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Post by grahamew on Mar 25, 2007 4:53:41 GMT -6
These are from a sequence of pictures of the same man usually thought to be the earliest photos of an Indian The Rev Peter Jones ( Kahlewaquonaby or Kahkewaquonaby, the Waving Plume), son of a Welshman and a Mississauga woman, by Hill and Adamson, taken between 1843 and 1847 in Britain. The National Portrait Gallery in London dtaes the images more specifically as taken on 4 August 1845. There are other photos from this decade, however, such as those of the Sac and Fox by Thomas Easterly; here's Keokuk from 1846-7: Here's the Solomon Carvalho view of a Cheyenne village at the Big Timbers in 1853 (taken on the Fremint expedition) - thought to be the first photo of Indians on the Plains. I've seen a clearer etching of this but whether it was based on the undamaged photo or whether it was a later etching based on the danaged photo and supposition, I don't know.
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Post by Frank on Mar 25, 2007 6:12:14 GMT -6
Amazing...thanks fellows!
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 25, 2007 8:08:53 GMT -6
Thanks Grahame, I never saw that first photo of Rev. Peter Jones. Are the first photographic portraits of Sioux and Cheyenne the pictures of the 1851/52 delegation to Washington? Or are there others?
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Post by Frank on Mar 25, 2007 8:11:23 GMT -6
Is that or is it not Roman Nose on right? ...and who are the other 2 fellows?
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Post by Frank on Mar 25, 2007 8:12:31 GMT -6
and if you have those 51-52 delegation pics please bring them out...fast
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 25, 2007 9:26:07 GMT -6
left to right is: White Antelope, Alights-on-a-Cloud and Little Chief (not Roman Nose) (Southern Cheyenne) I´ll post more photos later... when the kids are in bed
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Post by Frank on Mar 25, 2007 11:16:26 GMT -6
Thanks man
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Post by Frank on Mar 25, 2007 11:18:45 GMT -6
ermmm...is there a picture of Roman Nose at all?
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Post by grahamew on Mar 26, 2007 0:39:10 GMT -6
Here's an early photo of two Yanktonai men. Bone Necklace and Lazy Bear. Sadly, this is as clear as it gets. It's dated mid-century, although I suppose it may come from the late 60s delegation when many men still dressed like this.
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 27, 2007 14:15:52 GMT -6
I wish we could see a clearer photo of the two Yanktonais. As always we have to ask, if the names were correctly given. But indeed there were two Yanktonais headman, who had the same names as the two individuals photographed in this daguerrotype.
Lazy Bear was a head soldier (war-chief) who signed a treaty with the Upper Yanktonais at Fort Sully in October 1865.
Bone Necklace was a head chief of the Yanktonais in the 1850s/1860s. Louis DeWitt, an U.S. scout and interpreter, was the son of this Bone Necklace´s niece, who married his French-Canadian father at Fort Pierre. White Ghost, later himself an influential chief at the Crow Creek reservation, is said to had been Bone Necklace´s son.
If the picture shows these both men, it must have been made very early.
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Post by mort aux vaches on Mar 28, 2007 19:18:41 GMT -6
Great photos all around. Especially the Cheyenne village and delegation photos from 1852. Couldn't resist posting the first "photo" showing a person (actually two: a shoeshiner and customer). Paris, 1839. It contains a certain melancholy.
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Post by crzhrs on Mar 29, 2007 8:52:00 GMT -6
Is that a naked woman in the window of the third story of the house on the right?
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Post by Frank on Mar 29, 2007 10:34:25 GMT -6
Yes, she has a martini on her left hand but....the olive seems to be missing... strange... she must have eaten it already...
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