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Post by Tricia on Jul 3, 2007 22:02:16 GMT -6
As I told in an earlier post, I support the actions of the Preservation Committee. I heard from other people at the battlefield this year about Jim Court. Don't go jumping to conclusions as I certainly haven't.
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Post by jellybean on Jul 3, 2007 22:08:45 GMT -6
Montana Bab,
You are correct that the ownership of that land by the Custer Battlefield Preservation Committee has been politicized. That is a sad fact. Dealing with the US and National Park Service is complicated, especially when the Crow tribe is also involved.
But the fact remains that the committee owns many acres of land that probably would have already been developed as motels, casinos or theme parks if not for the committee. I am proud to be a lifetime member of the committee.
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Post by jellybean on Jul 3, 2007 22:15:45 GMT -6
As I told in an earlier post, I support the actions of the Preservation Committee. I heard from other people at the battlefield this year about Jim Court. Don't go jumping to conclusions as I certainly haven't. I am glad that you have not jumped to conclusions. Perhaps you should stop repeating gossip too.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jul 3, 2007 22:26:27 GMT -6
Jellybean, Jas. Watson made a good point in his reply on Page 1 about the Civil War Trust. I've never understood why the same results couldn't be made at LBH. I'm not attacking; I'm asking because I've never received a satisfactory answer.
Trish didn't deserve your little slap. She's been on these boards for a very long time and is not a gossip.
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Post by Montana Bab on Jul 4, 2007 1:05:23 GMT -6
Montana Bab, But the fact remains that the committee owns many acres of land that probably would have already been developed as motels, casinos or theme parks if not for the committee. I am proud to be a lifetime member of the committee. Jellybean, You make a good point about preventing commercial development of acres now owned by the 'committee'. The thing is though, I would like to know why it has not been turned over to the NPS. There is a whole lot of things about LBH that I was not aware of, private land ownership for one. And I wasn't aware that LBH was a part of the Crow Res. (or is it?). I guess I need to know these things before I unplug my cork. I'm not one to get into disputes on these boards about events at LBH, but I have to admit that I do have some hot buttons, and commercialization of the Battlefield, and the idea of having a museum dedicated to Libbie Custer is another. Melanie makes a good point about the Dizney aspect, and that's the sort of stuff not needed on that hallowed ground. Removing a dead soldier's body just to get at 'artifacts' is another sore spot with me. And I know that my opinion don't amount to a hill of beans, but I like to plant them every once in awhile just the same. Regards, Montana Bab
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Post by Tricia on Jul 4, 2007 10:00:02 GMT -6
Jellybean--
I'll end it here. The only thing I can be accused of at these boards, though fascinated with Custer the man, is being Navajo and showing a pro-NA tendency. But like a lot of newer folks to Custeriana and of Indian blood, I do tend to get tired of the conisistant reactionary stances of many so-callled battle historical groups. It is time for everyone to move on and recognise the victors of the battle and not doing it kicking and screaming. I sometimes wonder if the Seventh and the Indians fought the same battle on the same afternoon!
--t.
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Post by jellybean on Jul 4, 2007 13:39:46 GMT -6
Babs and Diane,
The reason the land has not been donated to the US is that the US will not take it. That is the word from the Preservation Committee rep at the CBHMA meeting. The US will not accept the land outright but has tied it in with some other land over near the Big Horn River. It is a complicated political mess and the Crow tribe is involved. The committee has attempted to donate the committee owned land to the US without success. There are some issues that I do not know enough about to comment, but I believe that the Preservation Committee motives and actions have been pure and remain pure. All of their land has been purchased by private donations---not government grants.
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Post by jellybean on Jul 4, 2007 13:53:10 GMT -6
Jellybean-- I'll end it here. The only thing I can be accused of at these boards, though fascinated with Custer the man, is being Navajo and showing a pro-NA tendency. But like a lot of newer folks to Custeriana and of Indian blood, I do tend to get tired of the conisistant reactionary stances of many so-callled battle historical groups. It is time for everyone to move on and recognise the victors of the battle and not doing it kicking and screaming. I sometimes wonder if the Seventh and the Indians fought the same battle on the same afternoon! --t. Nice red herring! You repeat malicious gossip and nasty innuendo about Jim Court and when questioned about it you ignore the question and pretend that YOU are being attacked. If you are a member of the Tupperware Gossip Society, I ain't joining.
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Post by Abby Grace on Jul 4, 2007 14:19:19 GMT -6
Jellybean - Like YOU, I am a new member here. Why don't you do as I did and scroll through some of the threads here. You'll find that Tricia is responsible for many insightful and interesting posts. I do not see a whole lot of malicious "gossip" on her part . She simply stated that she heard some things about one person - we have all shared that experience at one time or another. OF course this is none of my business, so I'm saving you the trouble of pointing that out. Why come here and be a rabble rouser? We can and should be able to make any remarks that we consider appropriate for the board.......and heck, even inappropriate.. that's what the US is all about right? Freedom of speech? It's not up to you to censor anyone and by that same token I may be guilty of hypocrisy by posting this.. but shut the heck up and place your nose back up Mr. Court's backside. I'm very much enjoying the information being shared here and these boards are filled with wonderful discourse. With the exception of trolls like you.
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Post by jellybean on Jul 4, 2007 15:33:29 GMT -6
Jellybean - Like YOU, I am a new member here. Why don't you do as I did and scroll through some of the threads here. You'll find that Tricia is responsible for many insightful and interesting posts. I do not see a whole lot of malicious "gossip" on her part . She simply stated that she heard some things about one person - we have all shared that experience at one time or another. OF course this is none of my business, so I'm saving you the trouble of pointing that out. Why come here and be a rabble rouser? We can and should be able to make any remarks that we consider appropriate for the board.......and heck, even inappropriate.. that's what the US is all about right? Freedom of speech? It's not up to you to censor anyone and by that same token I may be guilty of hypocrisy by posting this.. but shut the heck up and place your nose back up Mr. Court's backside. I'm very much enjoying the information being shared here and these boards are filled with wonderful discourse. With the exception of trolls like you. Trish, I thought you said you were going to end it. Instead you come up with yet another pseudonym to pat yourself on the back. What ever happened to your other pseuds like Moving Robe Woman, Mrs. Spotted Tail, Gruzolliac Girl, Rice McLean and Russian Girl that you used on the other boards after you were locked out? PS I am a board member for nearly a year. I am simply a quiet person.
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Post by Abby Grace on Jul 4, 2007 17:45:16 GMT -6
Jellybean-
This is not Trish.. you are quite mistaken. Apparently I heard "Boots and Saddles" playing and over reacted to you... but don't blame her for my post- let's try to play nicely, ok. And 'tis true, you never know who is tapping the keyboard. I've looked all through these message boards and have seen some remarkably mean spirited shizz from posters who attack long time members here (Keogh being one in particular). This website is an amazing source of information and I, for one, am ecstatic to have found it and will be reading these posts long after I'm banned at some point for reacting to people like you. Happy 4th-
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Post by Melani on Jul 5, 2007 20:22:17 GMT -6
Re: donation of land to the NPS--it's certainly true that donating the land could be much more complicated than you might think. The NPS, as I have said before, never does anything the same way you or I would do it. They are bound up with many, many regulations. One reason national parks have cooperating associations is to run gift shops, for example--because the NPS is not allowed to sell anything but books, and I think tee shirts.
I really don't know how that sort of thing works, but I work in an NPS library, and I have asked one of our librarians to look this up for me--she promised to do it tomorrow. She has much better internet research skills than I and is totally familiar with NPS online info, so I expect to be able to post a link tomorrow.
I have just been to the Civil War Preservation Trust's website, but could not find any info on if or how they donate the land they buy, at least not in a quick search. I will ask the librarian to help me with that as well. This will make her happy, since the statistically-minded NPS will give the library brownie points for research requests, regardless of topic.
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Post by Melani on Jul 6, 2007 12:06:56 GMT -6
Here is the link I promised: www.nps.gov/policy/DOrders/DOrder25.htmlScroll down to Sections 10, "Property Acquisition/Relocation Assistance and 11, ""Acquisition Methods." After you wade through all of that, it will probably be apparent that it's not quite as easy as saying, "Hi, NPS--here's some land."
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Post by Montana Bab on Jul 9, 2007 19:50:06 GMT -6
Melani,
Thanks for the information. Ye Gads! Leave it to the government to make a mountain out of a molehill! Same ole, same ole. The government red tapes its own mouth shut!!!
Montana
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